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130rapid ◊ 2010-09-30 12:45	1974+ 2002 for US market.
stu ◊ 2010-09-30 16:34	Was there any other 02 availible in USA (1602;1802...)?
Ingo ◊ 2010-09-30 22:37	As I've read recently somewere here, yes.
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-10-01 00:40	by the time the unfortunate and somewhat offensive safety bumpers were introduced, the 2002 was the only 02 left on the american market...
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-10-01 00:45	as an afterthought... what a great row of cars we have right there. an 02, a B, a drop-top stang, and a datsun wagon. if those are all manual transmission cars, that would be one hell of a garage.
stu ◊ 2010-10-01 12:18	Yes, agree its a realy nice row...
130rapid ◊ 2010-10-01 13:11	stu wrote Was there any other 02 availible in USA (1602;1802...)? BMW Realoem catalogue claims only three US market versions of -02: 1602 - made in 09/1967-03/1971 period. 2002 - 02/1968-07/1976 2002 tii - 08/1971-12/1974. So 2002 tii not excluded.
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-01 15:21	an_unusual_eye wrote as an afterthought... what a great row of cars we have right there. an 02, a B, a drop-top stang, and a datsun wagon. if those are all manual transmission cars, that would be one hell of a garage. Not rather a hell for the common US-driver? :P
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-10-01 17:10	ingo wrote Not rather a hell for the common US-driver? presuming that you're talking about the manual transmission part of the equation rather than the issue of finding the parts to keep that fleet running, yes, it surely would. a rather high percentage of american drivers should most likely have their driving rights revoked in general, and adding a 3rd pedal and the additional distraction of having to shift their own gears ~ which is how the common driver views it ~ would be rather frightening not just for them, but for society as a whole. as a counterpoint though... my nearly 70 year old father still has a 6-speed jeep unlimited (and would have bought his hybrid camry with a stick had it been offered), my closest co-worker (a mid-20s girl) has a 6-speed 2000 model celica, and my wife's biggest complaint that i can recall in her automotive purchasing history was that the C4 audi A6 avant wasn't offered (here at least) with a manual transmission. as for myself... i once made a 750 mile flight to atlanta to purchase a 5-speed land rover discovery, just to replace one that i already owned that was exactly the same, save for having the automatic transmission. for the record, the trip did give me a chance to visit with my mother, though i'll admit here that was just part of the forced justification. i just don't feel right if there isn't at least one car in the driveway with a manual transmission, and i would choose for them all to be so equipped if i were afforded the option. if the comment was about the parts availability or the maintenance needs of such a group as this: i'm relatively certain that i could make it work, if i were offered the opportunity to try.
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-01 21:24	I haven't thought about the availability of parts. If you are mentioning it, I say, that the Datsun is the most problematical car today of the shown four. T5-Mustangs and MGB's are belonging to the group of classic cars with the best parts-availiability at all, the situation for old BMW's is very good either, but not as good as Mercedes Benz or Porsche.
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-10-01 21:41	the world has gotten much smaller, and many things - including car parts - that used to be difficult to locate, have become much easier. i recall when i was trying to maintain a 1964 pontiac bonneville convertible in the late 1980s, i often had problems tracking down even what i considered to be "wear items". in about 1987, i had to have a transmission mount fabricated for that car, that i couldn't find ANYWHERE after weeks of phone calls and research. i expect that i could probably locate the exact same piece that i couldn't find in 1987, as a N.O.S. pontiac part sitting in a box somewhere within about 10 minutes of searching the internet... over 2 decades later. SO FAR ~ maintaining and improving my current 40 year old datsun hasn't led me to a part that i couldn't locate, and only very rarely to a part with an "unreasonable" price. i'm sure the Z cars have a slightly better parts web out there than the 410/411 models like that wagon, but the good news these days, is that if you have a computer, and you don't need the part to be sitting on the shelf at the small town auto parts store that you broke down in front of, you can maintain almost any vehicle that was ever in "full production" with just a little research and patience.
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-01 23:08	Guess, what I'm busy with since 20 years. Yes, the spare parts-situation. For my car VW has stopped to sell new parts in 1989/90. So we are living from the left-over stuff, which was not thrown away by the company and the dealers (which is usual for models, when the time of holding a stock, is over). And we let re-manufacturate parts. The situation for us German K 70-freaks is the sme as for the few suvivors all around the world, too: nothing is available. Nowhere. Except in our cellars and garages. There are no specialized dealers for our model. And from the dealers for parts for classic VW's we got nearly all NOS-stuff, they had. With aircooled stuff they can make much more money. Good for us. Three weeks ago I've bought for the first time after 18(!) years a NOS part officially at the VW-dealer: a little plastic ring for the gear-shift. It's not a real K 70-part in fact, as it has a Golf I-number. In Feb.1992 I've bought a windshield-rubber and in 1991 the last right mirror. This ring went to Teheran. This is the for me most interesting point of my hobby. As I'm the international-contact-man, I'm busy with delivering parts and informations all around the world. To get parts for a classic Mercedes, Porsche, Jaguar, MG, Triumph and so on, is rather boring. Going to the shop or ordering at internet-dealers is possible for everyone. I just had a short look in my classic car-magazine and the www and I couldn't find specialized dealers for classic Datsuns and Nissans. But there are probably some existing somewhere, or? -- Last edit: 2010-10-01 23:08:45
Gomselmash11 ◊ 2010-10-01 23:15	ingo, here the same thing often happens with certain models of cars. But given the blessed end of imports for a long time and several times during the twentieth century, many parts were common between cars. Until the infamous decade of the 90's, where many companies merged auto parts, had no trouble getting parts. But since 2002, have opened some shops that bought old matrices that even very old auto parts manufacturing, or other not so old. For example, for the Citroën my father had to go to Buenos Aires to get a carburetor, because a company bought all the galleys for manufacturing, which, even exported to European countries and the rest of America.
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-10-01 23:28	for the z-cars... motorsport still has a pretty good catalog, but eBay generally seems to connect everything else. there are 2 main sellers, and several smaller on ebay that have fairly extensive availability of NOS OEM parts within the U.S., and there are still a few dismantlers that specialize in the brand such as Arizona Z. for the non-z models, the supply is probably less, but so is the demand, so the ability to keep one on the road would likely be just about the same.
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-01 23:49	As to see on the club-site of the US Z/ZX-club there are listed some specialized parts-dealers. On the German club-page there is only one link to an US-dealer, on the pages of the Swiss and Dutch clubs is nothing about that, so obviously they got their parts from the USA. @Gomsel: your father can be relaxed with his Ami, as many technic-parts were used in other Citroens, too and in France and perhaps Spain surely everthing will be available. At my car only a bit little stuff is identical with other NSU's and VW's. Brake-pads and -cylinders, window-handles, carburator-contacts and so on. Not much more.
Gomselmash11 ◊ 2010-10-02 00:09	@ Ingo: Yes, they share parts, but also scarce for a while and also some (many) are different with respect to the Citroën French and Spanish, at least I understand. But it's good here, have retained the tooling to manufacture
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-06 15:58	@an_unusual_eye: next Saturday I'll have "an unusal eye" on Z/ZX-stuff, too. http://www.veterama.de/?lang=uk&site=home Are there some special scarce goodies, which shall be bought in every case, when they are to find? @rljuna2: sorry, I will not look for bulbs and lamps. It's too much, so I'd never have the chance to see the whole areal in just one day. I'll be busy enough with searching for K 70-stuff and plates, plus other paltes for other freaks, Audi 50/Polo-stuff for a friend, who cannot come, police-stuff for my brother-in-law, maybe hearse-stuff for Animatronixx (if he cannot come, too) and a little bit more. Z/ZX-stuff is rather lucid, so I wouldn't be overcharged with that, too. If anyone else has specific wishes, just let me know. I'll try to pay attention for that, too. P.S. The German Z/ZX-Club is together with the RX 7-Club the oldest German club for a classic Japanese car. For many years they were the only ones, and the newer clubs often includes several Japanese brands, not only one model. Japanese classic cars weren't seen for a long time as worth to keep and collect here. -- Last edit: 2010-10-06 16:05:06
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-10-07 02:24	@ingo that's amazing... i want to go! the most unusual pieces seem to be those that were specific to the series I cars only produced in 1969 and 1970, and some that carried over to the early series II. the early hubcaps with the "D" emblem are rather rare the rally clock that was offered through the early nismo group is almost impossible to come by, but the clock only operates when paired with an external clockworks oscillator unit that is even more scarce. Link to "jdm-car-parts.com" the metal emblems are fairly rare, as they were superseded by plastic in the 1972 model year, and became unavailable through the parts department at the same time, and the metal hatch vents for the series I cars are almost unobtainable, as the also went plastic VERY early on. in fact, i've never found a set of metal vents, though i would very much like to. another odd bit, is the early valve cover that reads "NISSAN 2400 OHC" instead of just "NISSAN OHC", probably worth about 4 times what the later cover costs. that one is on eBay for $160USD right now, and may not get a bid, but nicer pieces will bring more. anyway... looks like much fun. i'm jealous... but hope that you find whatever may be on the VW wish list this year.
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-07 13:00	I'll do my best. But don't expect too much. The classic Z/ZX were quite rare here, much less were sold than in America. Otherwise you can find on these markets, especially this specific one, incredible rare goodies. Fur sure only accidentally, never, when you are on a strained hunt. I recommend to have short control-looks in the clutter-boxes of dealers for total different stuff, motorbikes or so. Often they don't know much about stuff, which doesn't belong to their own interest. Why are you jealous? Aren't such marekts existing in the USA?
stu ◊ 2010-10-07 16:40	Hey Guys, you are talking about spare parts, so can anybody tell me were do I get the ORIGINAL Hubcaps for a '66 Ford Mustang 200cui Engine?
chicomarx ◊ 2010-10-07 17:17	eBay? Link to "cgi.ebay.com" Link to "cgi.ebay.com" Link to "cgi.ebay.com" You may have to arrange with the seller to ship to Germany since they often put "USA only" for items like this.
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-07 17:55	@ an_unusual_eye: surely you'll know this event: http://www.japaneseclassiccarshow.com/ I've found it on my googling right now for the spare-parts-market only for Japanese classics. I've read something about it, but cannot remember, where it's located. Maybe in Rosmalen in Holland. Or in Switzerland, as it was a quite big market for Japanese cars in the 60ies and 70ies: http://www.datsun.ch/24701.html -- Last edit: 2010-10-07 18:02:49
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-07 17:56	chicomarx wrote eBay? You may have to arrange with the seller to ship to Germany since they often put "USA only" for items like this. Or a gentlemen's agreement with annother IMCDB-member. I've already done such.
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-10 17:24	@an_unusual_eye: sorry, nothing for you. There were even no specialists for any Japanese cars. Only for motorbikes. When I've seen signs "parts for Japanese cars", I've checked the dealers. They meant with this, that among stuff for other brands, they had also a banana-box with some smaller parts for J-made cars too. Faboulus goodies like gaskets for a Daihatsu Cuore or brake-pads for a Nissan Stanza were inside then. For rljuna2 it would have been the absolute heaven on earth: hundreds of thousands (the most of the 4000 dealers had this stuff) of bulbs, tail-lights, front lamps, indicators, etc. pp. One Danish dealer even had some boxes with original "made for DK" side indicators. More than a dozen times I've seen original packed NOS fog lamps-kits from the 70ies. And several original dealer's racks and displays for bulbs and lamps.
rjluna2 ◊ 2010-10-10 23:28	ingo wrote For rljuna2 it would have been the absolute heaven on earth: hundreds of thousands (the most of the 4000 dealers had this stuff) of bulbs, tail-lights, front lamps, indicators, etc. pp. One Danish dealer even had some boxes with original "made for DK" side indicators. More than a dozen times I've seen original packed NOS fog lamps-kits from the 70ies. And several original dealer's racks and displays for bulbs and lamps. Thanks, ingo. I would have been more interested in the light bulbs itself than the taillight assembly
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-10-11 00:15	@ingo... thank you for looking. i presume that you had a good time. were there any rare and valuable VW bits to be found..? ~ we spent the (insanely beautiful) afternoon out on a little tour with half a dozen cars (10 people or so) from the local vintage car club. they accept "vintage" as a loose term, and today was a rather varied group. the cars included a TR3, a mustang GT that shook the ground, my Z, a replica porsche speedster, and a boxter (i did say loosely) belonging to a couple that generally have some vintage cars, but currently had nothing ready to drive. a winding drive through the countryside, a good lunch, a beer or two that you wouldn't approve of, and a chance to meet some good people. all in all - a very good time, and one of the last days likely to be this nice before winter sets in...
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-11 09:46	@rljuna2: Only the bulbs, not the nice shop-equipment around them, like a big display from OSRAM in bulb-shape or other dealer's goodies? @an_unusual_eye: great, that you had such a nice day. Fortunately the weather here was good, too. In thge past it was much worse on this market before, nearly mudfight-conditions. For that reason I'll take always my 20-year-old Bundeswehr-boots with me, when I go there. There was a lot of stuff for VW's, too (Sure, I know all the specialized dealers since years ). I'm happy, that I could find some NOS-K 70-parts there. Better than in the last years, when it was nearly nothing to get. No wonder, as in the last 20 years we K 70-freaks are snatching all NOS-stuff, we can get. And I've catched a few rarities for my plate-collection, so I went back satisfied. But I must admit, that I didn't went through all lanes - it was fuller than in the last years, every square-meter was occupied, and after some hours (incl.carrying three bags) I was really groggy. I even didn't want to store the stuff at some known dealers or clubs, that I could continue with free hands. I had also to drive 340km back home and was getting up at 4:00 in the morning. Anyways, I got some nice goodies, so it's fine for me. So I didn't had any looks to literature, brochures, magazines etc. Not bad, as the professional literature-dealers are always the same and you will see them again on other markets. @130rapid: some Czech guys had an original Skoda-garage-sign from the 70ies in very good condition for sale: 280 € Maybe annother sign, also from metal, ca.80x60 cm, was much cheaper, but I was too overwhelmed to ask for the price - it was a Ssangyong Musso.
stu ◊ 2010-10-11 16:59	About the Mustang Hupcaps, I found those in the USA, but not Original, they are all replicas, and most of them are made in Taiwan! So I think the Parts on e-bay are the same...
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-12 16:01	So in the same quality as the, also Taiwan-made, terrible VW Käfer-hubcaps in the Porsche 356-style? I know guys, who put them only on the wheels in the garage or on show-events, not for driving. Because the first raindrops are causing rust-pimples. @stu: again my suggestion: make an agreement with an IMCDB-member, who has the contacts and the knowledge. -- Last edit: 2010-10-12 16:01:37
stu ◊ 2010-10-13 16:46	Who do you mean Ingo? But I think i know..., but I found four used Caps and will check the condition if they are cleaned and polished... About this Mustang (my Friends one), we fixed the Window levelers and I saw that the doors were replaced, even these doors are made in Taiwan...
Ingo ◊ 2010-10-14 22:59	Actually not anyone special (I cannot remember a Mustang T5-freak here), but here are some guys around with a knowledge about classic cars, so with the ability to distinguish original parts from repro-junk.

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