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1963 Austin 4-60F 4-Ton [FH] 
Ep. 3Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: 
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![1963 Austin 4-60F 4-Ton [FH]](i320433.jpg)
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2010-07-22 11:58 |
I am not an expert on Austin trucks but I think this is one of the variants of the FFK - it has the later style windscreen like this one http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/Matlteezer%20Austin.jpg but the earlier style grille like this one Link to "www.roadtransport.com" |
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◊ 2010-07-22 19:45 |
Its a 1958-60 Austin 45 (by the early grille). The Morris FF was re-named the Austin '45' for Austin dealers. http://austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?lcvtrucksf.htm -- Last edit: 2010-07-22 19:46:35 |
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◊ 2016-10-30 14:09 |
Australian extra vents, tropical cooling mod, are visible plus non-UK registration and possibly Australian? Naming as Austin '45' [FF] or FF K100, FF K140 and Australian versions to be determined. edit: comment from dsl here 1959 Austin FF 4-Ton 4.60 F -- Last edit: 2016-10-30 14:18:57 |
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◊ 2016-10-30 14:20 |
Aus-made versions listed as Austin FF, 1958-64 - no mention of 45 or Morris. Came as 4.60, 5.60, 7.20, 7.50, and 7.60 for 4.0 to 7.0 tons. 4.60 and 5.60 had 160" wheelbase; 7.20, 7.50, and 7.60 had 20" (tractor unit??), 150" (tipper??) and 160". Engines were 3993cc petrol, 5103cc diesel. Small book picture has same front details as here - vents beside main badge, vertical indicators, small round lights just above bumper ends. |
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◊ 2016-10-30 15:38 |
Further CM archive investigation current at introduction plus brochures on eBay show the 'Austin' 2-bar grille seen here and carried over from the FE was for the lighter trucks only. Consequently the '702' 7-Ton had the BMC commonised Austin-Morris grille. The Austin FF 15-ton and 18-ton tractor units would probably also use the different grilles. |
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◊ 2016-10-30 16:37 |
Other than the AR-Online website and the TrucksPlanet section based on AR-Online itself, I can find nothing to confirm Austin 45 as a model name for the FF. It was possibly a contraction of Austin 4-5 tonner, as an Austin brochure shows Austin 504 as the model shortly after introduction in December 1959; the similarly named Austin 702 (7-ton) was introduced in September 1968 (CM Archive). |
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◊ 2016-10-30 17:27 |
I'm beginning to drown under all the permutations ... However: [1] Glass's has no mention of any 45 [2] Glass's sprinkles several mentions of x0x numbering system across lots of ranges, but not consistently enough for me to understand how this was used. There was for instance apparently a 702 Series II from May 58 in the 7K/17K range (which apparently became the FF K140 in May 62). [3] I've got one book caption which refers to 45 for a picture of a "March 1958 5-ton Austin FF" (with the BMC commonised Austin-Morris grille as link ^) which continues that 45 also applied to the "similar-looking" replacement FH with flat cab floor from 1961. But no other reference to 45 found. [4] This front as our main photo may have been known as 504 from a Dec 58 brochure which also has 503 for the bonneted [WE] version, but other x04 numbers may also exist for FFs. And in a different direction, seems some FGs were known as 404 in joint brochures with 403 [WE]. |
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◊ 2016-10-30 19:37 |
dsl, from some, or most of the Austin truck codes I can currently pull together. (Primary source a BMC commonisation chart for models of either Austin/Morris changing to BMC in CM archive, February 1962.) S or T alternatives - single/twin wheels for lightest trucks first number - tons nominal second number - 0 edit: third number 1 - forward control and normal control (early code as in '701' and '301'?) third number 3 - normal control third number 4 - forward control S200 1½.-ton f/c FG S203 1½.-ton n/c WE export T200 2-ton f/c FG T203 2 ton n/c WE 301 1½-2 ton n/c LC5 and f/c 1½-2 ton LD 304 3-ton f/c FG 303 3-ton n/c WE 404 4-ton f/c FG 504 5-ton f/c FF also 12 & 18-ton tractor unit f/c FF 503 5-ton n/c WE also 12 & 18-ton tractor unit n/c WE 702 7-ton f/c FF No Austin codes only BMC designations were allocated to 5-ton f/c FG 6-ton f/c WE 18-ton tractor unit f/c FF M10, M 16, M30, etc and K50, K80, K100 etc codes were the later BMC desigations (I have tried to make it error free but there could be some I have not reproduced correctly) -- Last edit: 2016-10-30 20:38:45 |
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◊ 2016-10-30 20:01 |
Cor blimey - it begins to look like a logical system after all!!! I've got a book comment which implies that K and M refer to different factories (although not identified). My local Oxfam recently had a big batch of British lorry books going cheap, so I hoovered some of them up. But with slightly mixed feelings as I knew I'd probably never understand them properly (so could cause more smoke than light as I fumble my way through them), plus a suspicion that they were only on the shelves from a clearance after an enthusiastic lorryist had popped his clogs. |
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◊ 2016-10-30 21:00 |
"The factory of origin will be shown by "K" or "M" following the cab symbol, "K" denoting Longbridge or Bathgate, and "M" for Morris Commercial Cars, Ltd." ("K" for Logbridge products looks to be a continuation of Austin naming of trucks K2, K3, K4 etc.) New Coding for Austin and Morris... effective January 1962 Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com" -- Last edit: 2016-10-30 23:06:56 |
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◊ 2016-10-30 22:00 |
When the local Oxfam sports a large collection of well worn Bentley books in the boot of a well worn Bentley, you'll be able to guess what has happened! |
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◊ 2016-12-25 16:27 |
Same truck and rain-soaked event as filmed here... /vehicle_62722-Austin-4-60F-FF-1959.html The Beatles arrive at Sydney Airport to commence their Australian tour. Around 600 fans braved the strong wind and rain to welcome the band to Sydney, 11 June 1964. As stated before on the other listing probably a new truck; 1963 or 1964 therefore Austin FH 1961-1964. -- Last edit: 2016-12-25 16:46:15 |
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