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chris40 ◊ 2010-03-14 14:10	On the left, Humber Super Snipe Series V, 1964+. It's even RHD; so much for faking USA locations
pilou ◊ 2010-03-14 14:36	1972 Pontiac Bonneville
electra225 ◊ 2010-03-14 15:58	pilou is again right, as usually...!
typhlosion ◊ 2010-03-14 17:32	could be a catalina or grand ville as well
typhlosion ◊ 2010-03-14 17:34	btw thats a pretty small camper! wouldn't it be easier just to camp in the full sized gm! :P
Ingo ◊ 2010-03-14 17:41	It's not the smallest at all. In Europe there were several of them. The most important thing was, to make them light enough, that a VW Käfer, a Citroen 2 CV, a Mini, a Morris Minor, the small Fiat's, a Trabant etc. could tow them. Ooops, not to forget the European most heaviest camper-freaks in the neighbourhood: they had to be DAF-compatible, too. -- Last edit: 2010-03-14 17:42:17
typhlosion ◊ 2010-03-14 17:51	these are the campers that car like that used to tow! now days stupid plastic cars cant do that anymore... so you have to has truck now
DynaMike ◊ 2010-03-14 18:01	Sure, Ingo, like this one in the nice book "Dafjes" by Jan de Lange (Elmar, Rijswijk, 1997):
Ingo ◊ 2010-03-14 18:07	Always funny, the Dutch faible for diminutives Half-way back to topic: is there any chance to identify the camping-trailer? I'm just pondering, if there were some made or available in the USSR? Do we have anyone with closer knowledge around here? There were DDR-campers, Polish ones, too, but were there camping-trailers from other COMECON-countries?
chris40 ◊ 2010-03-14 20:28	I pointed out the Humber partly because, although I knew the main car was a Pontiac, I didn't know what model; I'm no expert on American cars. These Humbers (Hawks, Super Snipes) were favourites with British embassies in the 60s, and I suspect they were sold off locally when they were time-expired. Compare /vehicle_68101-Humber-Hawk-1965.html , /vehicle_80620-Humber-Super-Snipe-1961.html , /vehicle_182361-Humber-Super-Snipe-1961.html , all in Poland.
Neptune ◊ 2010-03-14 20:30	typhlosion wrote these are the campers that car like that used to tow! now days stupid plastic cars cant do that anymore... so you have to has truck now Airstream made travel trailers light enough that some specific models could be towed with a multi-speed bicycle. The pilot of the bicycle is French cyclist Latourneau (circa 1947) However, over the years Airstream trailers have gotten much heavier. Airstream’s flagship travel trailer, the ultra luxurious PanAmerica Widebody has a gross weight rating of 11,500 lbs (5,216 kg) No your eyes aren’t playing tricks, it does indeed have tri-axles It requires at the very minimum a ¾ ton SUV or pickup truck for propulsion, Class IV weight distributing trailer hitch and electronic brake controller.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2010-03-14 21:00	@Ingo - I belive Karosa made caravans, well at least for a while (at least one prototype xD), but I belive they had to have some caravan manufacturer in Czechoslovakia. @Chris - Some number (well not big) of these Humbers was imported here officialy (see they are LHD). They were used by some administration and those times VIP's of different sort. A few still exist as I know. One, which was perhaps official car of the Warsaw Technical University rector, was for sale (and to repair) not so long ago.
Dickkiller ◊ 2010-10-01 09:25
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 20:36	This is Grand Ville, exactly. Editor from my magazine (i'm deputy editor-in chief)drove this car recently in Riga, Latvia. The movie was filmed (except mountain roads) also in Latvia. -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 20:43:34
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 20:38	jefferson wrote Editor from my magazine (i'm deputy editor-in chief) an welcome here! May I ask, what magazine you are mentioning?
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 20:47	Yes, sure. My magazine - Za rulem - the oldest car magazine in Rissia. And Iam very pleased to be among such car nuts, like you. -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 20:51:25
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 20:56	http://www.zr.ru/ The oldest? Since when it's existing?
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 21:04	Yes. Published since 1928.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 21:10	Interesting. Were there in Soviet times published also articles about Western cars (as in the DDR-car magazines, though nearly none of these cars are available there? If yes, is somehow to find out, which Western cars were mentioned in the years 1969-1975?
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-08 21:15	ingo wrote If yes, is somehow to find out, which Western cars were mentioned in the years 1969-1975? More specifically,VW K70...
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 21:20	There's still missing anything Russian in my collection Even that little hope /vehicle.php?id=388199 was destroyed, as my Dutch friend has in fact two of them, but in different langauages - so no doublettes for swapping.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-08 21:26	Well, at least 80s there was few pages dedicated to foreign vehicles. BTW, I found place, when you can download some scans..) http://journal-club.ru/?q=image/tid/138
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 21:28	ingo wrote Interesting. Were there in Soviet times published also articles about Western cars (as in the DDR-car magazines, though nearly none of these cars are available there? If yes, is somehow to find out, which Western cars were mentioned in the years 1969-1975? It was two pages with the foreign vechicles in every issue- small notes and tiny photos (half matchbox size). And the unwritten rule - start with the cars of the socialist countries.
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 21:32	Nightrider wrote Well, at least 80s there was few pages dedicated to foreign vehicles. BTW, I found place, when you can download some scans..) http://journal-club.ru/?q=image/tid/138 Soon to be the entire archive from 1928 - on zr.ru.
DeltaGolf ◊ 2011-05-08 21:36	ingo wrote There's still missing anything Russian in my collection Even that little hope /vehicle.php?id=388199 was destroyed, as my Dutch friend has in fact two of them, but in different langauages - so no doublettes for swapping. Just out of interest - do you happen to have anything from Finnish magazines in your collection, more specifically from the magazine Tekniikan Maailma and a test drive of the K70 LS in no. 16/1973 or the comparison of 12 cars in no. 20/1971: Audi 100 LS, Datsun 1800, Fiat 125 S, Ford Taunus 2000 GXL, Mazda RX 2, Opel Ascona 19 SR, Peugeot 504, Renault 16 TS, Saab 99, Toyota Corona 1900, Volvo 142 - and the VW K70 ?
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 21:44	Yes, I have some Finnish magazines, somewhere there: Sorry, but right now, I cannot find them, to say, which ones. Swapped some months ago with Raul1983 He got a bunch of 70ies "auto katalog"-issues for that, which I could catch for a real bargain price. -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 21:44:48
dsl ◊ 2011-05-08 21:51	deltagolf wrote ... or the comparison of 12 cars in no. 20/1971: Audi 100LS, Datsun 1800, Fiat 125S, Ford Taunus 2000GXL, Mazda RX2, Opel Ascona 19SR, Peugeot 504, Renault 16TS, Saab 99, Toyota Corona 1900, Volvo 142 and VW K70? Presumably they excluded the mighty Chrysler 180 to give the lesser cars a chance?
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 21:56	Maybe in that specific issue, but indeed, the Chrysler 180 appeared in a plenty of benchmark-tests of middle-class-cars back then. P.S. But it was never the first one. Mostly the 180 was the looser. IIRC caused by the worse quality and the lumbering suspension. -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 21:59:22
DeltaGolf ◊ 2011-05-08 22:05	I am not sure why they excluded it (I haven't read the article yet, but will attempt to find the magazine in the library tomorrow), but I suspect that the importer wasn't able to provide a car for the test. The 160 GT and the 180 were test-driven about 3 months later in issue 5/1972, and the 180 was included in a test together with the Ford Consul 2000, Opel Rekord 1900, Saab 99 LE, Toyota Corona Mk II, Vauxhall 2300 SL and Volvo 144 de Luxe in issue 3/1973.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 22:14	Sorry, I must correct myself. Here the Chrysler's result was not that bad:
dsl ◊ 2011-05-08 22:17	deltagolf wrote I haven't read the article yet, but will attempt to find the magazine in the library tomorrow..... I wasn't being serious about the 180 - ingo's cruel and caustic comments are unfortunately accurate...
dsl ◊ 2011-05-08 22:19	chris40 wrote On the left, Humber Super Snipe Series V, 1964+. It's even RHD; so much for faking USA locations @ jefferson - any idea if this is/was a well known example? -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 22:28:46
DeltaGolf ◊ 2011-05-08 22:22	dsl wrote I wasn't being serious about the 180 - ingo's cruel and caustic comments are unfortunately accurate... Yeah, I could sense the sarcasm Since I will go to the library anyways, I'll try to find that magazine just for fun. -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 22:40:16
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 22:32	No Chrysler here (also published in Finland, this is the Danish magazine) Also not in this Swedish Audi 100-brochure, where they are quoting a German and a Swedish benchmark-test, on the P.S.-leaflet also an English one. There is a British magazine, where an Chrysler Avenger participated in such a benchmark-test. But I canot find it right now. -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 22:35:24
DeltaGolf ◊ 2011-05-08 22:39	ingo wrote No Chrysler here (also published in Finland, this is the Danish magazine) I believe this is the exact test I was talking about earlier, since its headline was "Pohjoismainen tusina" (The Nordic dozen) in the Finnish magazine - which might suggest it is indeed a collaboration between magazines in the Nordic countries. You can also see the Tekniikan Maailma sticker on the bonnet of the K70 on the cover picture. -- Last edit: 2011-05-08 22:43:48
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 22:43	dsl wrote @ jefferson - any idea if this is/was a well known example? Sorry, to coming back to topic... @jefferson: in the past we had some interesting discussions here, about "Western cars in the USSR". Do you can help us with more details? It seems, that a plenty of them were stored in that museum in Riga, you have mentioned (also the RR Silver Shadow, a former Soviet No.1 has totaled). At least they are all to find in Soviet movies, set in Western countries (and which mostly were filmed in the Baltic SSR's). We've also digged out a few details of the E3-BMW's which were in use at the Moscow-police. And details about the 1977-joint venture with the Magirus Deutz- and Faun-trucks for Siberia.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-08 22:46	deltagolf wrote I believe this is the exact test I was talking about earlier Rather not, as this issue is from December 1971.
DeltaGolf ◊ 2011-05-08 22:50	I mean the one with 12 cars - issue 20/1971 of Tekniikan Maailma is also from December 71 (20 issues a year back then, now 22).
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 23:21	ingo wrote Sorry, to coming back to topic... @jefferson: in the past we had some interesting discussions here, about "Western cars in the USSR". Do you can help us with more details? It seems, that a plenty of them were stored in that museum in Riga, you have mentioned (also the RR Silver Shadow, a former Soviet No.1 has totaled). At least they are all to find in Soviet movies, set in Western countries (and which mostly were filmed in the Baltic SSR's). We've also digged out a few details of the E3-BMW's which were in use at the Moscow-police. And details about the 1977-joint venture with the Magirus Deutz- and Faun-trucks for Siberia. Ask for what you want to know?
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 23:26	dsl wrote @ jefferson - any idea if this is/was a well known example? A similar Snipe was in St. Petersburg. Several years ago it was stolen. But it was LHD.
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-08 23:36	OK. Firstly I will scatter the old prejudices. A foreign car was not a rarity in the Soviet Union. In big cities, it was common sign, more often than, say, a Lada, in Germany today. Most cars in movies were private, usually brought by sailors.
dsl ◊ 2011-05-08 23:54	ingo wrote No Chrysler here ..... in this Swedish Audi 100-brochure, where they are quoting a German and a Swedish benchmark-test, on the P.S.-leaflet also an English one. Of course not - the Audi has to win, so better cars are not allowed. Thanks - interesting to see these, and the test above. 360 punkte - not surprised at beating the VW 412, and I knew early 132 was pretty awful but surprised to see it so low in the scores. Interesting also that Rekord so far ahead of Consul. As for the winner - what can I say?
dsl ◊ 2011-05-09 00:02	jefferson wrote A similar Snipe was in St. Petersburg......LHD.... Thanks. This sighting probably just another random and unexplainable quirk imcdb throws up so well.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-09 08:20	dsl wrote Of course not - the Audi has to win, so better cars are not allowed. It was not such bad as one "test", made in France in the 80ies (by "l'Automobile" IIRC), VW Polo [86C] vs.Peugeot 205. The Polo was better in all objective reasons, but the "test-experts" let win the Peugeot, with the reasoning "This car is French and shows more typical French impressions, so for that it's the winner"
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-09 08:30	jefferson wrote Ask for what you want to know? Personally I'm interested in everything about the K 70, this is maybe obvious The others here have their own specific interests, surely they'll ask for details. 5 years ago, on a tourist-trip to Moscow and St.Petersburg, I've brought a waterpump to a guy in St.Petersburg, whose father-in-law owned a K 70 (an import from the 90ies, nothing from USSR-times), but I didn't now, if it came on the road later on again.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-09 08:52	jefferson wrote OK. Firstly I will scatter the old prejudices. A foreign car was not a rarity in the Soviet Union. In big cities, it was common sign, more often than, say, a Lada, in Germany today. Most cars in movies were private, usually brought by sailors. As this example, bought in 1975 in Kiel by a Captain of the Soviet merchant marine. Wrecked 10 years ago in Estonia. About "prejudices": Isn't it the historical fact, that the USSR and the DDR were the COMECON-countries, where it was most problematical for normal citizens (not the Nomenklatura, sure) to get Western cars? Caused by the lack of real money (for some years it was even forbidden in both countries to own Western currency) by the people and the state itself. For the DDR this missing real money was always a big problem - and the basic reason for its implosion in 1989/90. P.S. About Lada in Germany: In Western Germany Lada's were available all the years. It was the second cheapest car on the market after the Skodas. Its nearly disappearing today is caused by the bankrupcy of the German importer some years ago. Since 1990 the company, sitting nearby Hamburg, was responsible for the ex-DDR, too. There, in the East, Lada had sold the most cars since then. There the customers still didn't have the same brand-awareness as in the West. And, some people there are still preferring "Eastern" goods for defiance-reasons. Lada is still somehow on the German market. Somewhere sits a new importer, who sells a few dozen cars per year. Also mostly in East Germany, I've seen only one newer Lada (2000+) with a West German plate until now. Oh, it's indeed still alive: http://www.lada.de/ sitting nearby the former address. The actual model-range: http://www.lada.de/modelle.html Interesting, how many dealers are listed (at "Händlersuche") - many more than for new US-Cars... But the most have Lada only as the second brand ( http://www.auto-voigt.de/ ). This was for sure a former Opel-dealer, kicked out by GM, because it was too small http://www.autohaus-thoelke.de/ (see the yellow stripe on the garage). P.S.II For a short time, around 1970, there was a try to sell also Moskviches on the West German market. But except some small advertises in car-magazines, it's nothing known more. In the Western neighbourhood, especially in Belgium and Austria, there were more "Mossis" sold. And the "Sapo", too, which was AFAIK never offered here. -- Last edit: 2011-05-09 09:18:31
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-05-09 09:16	ingo wrote The actual model-range: http://www.lada.de/modelle.html I would drive one of those NIVA Safaris if I could get one here in the states, but I have strange taste in cars
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-09 09:27	tonkatracker wrote I would drive one of those NIVA Safaris if I could get one here in the states, but I have strange taste in cars Hmm, they have a plenty of special trim lines Link to "suchen.mobile.de" and Link to "suchen.mobile.de" but the "Safari" seems to be the rarest. Wahaha, have you seen it? The top edition with the highest price includes a snowplough A few months ago a friend has bought a three-yearold Niva for only 800 €, so cheap because it was terribly rusted up, holes every where - it was used on the open pithead stocks of a salt-mine...
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-05-09 10:00	I have a friend in New Brunswick with a couple of Lada Nivas (not Safaris) and I am thinking about bringing one down the next time I visit
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-09 10:44	ingo wrote Personally I'm interested in everything about the K 70, this is maybe obvious The others here have their own specific interests, surely they'll ask for details. 5 years ago, on a tourist-trip to Moscow and St.Petersburg, I've brought a water pump to a guy in St.Petersburg, whose father-in-law owned a K 70 (an import from the 90ies, nothing from USSR-times), but I didn't now, if it came on the road later on again. In the late 80s had been drastically lowered customs duties on foreign cars and in the USSR citizens began to import them in large quantities. Carried almost everything, including candid stuff.Among these K70. But the majority - it was the VW Passat, BMW 3-series, Opel Ascona, Record, MB W123.
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-09 10:55	Import car to buy can be in USSR. But only mostly, second-hand. Written off from the embassies sold in special stores for rubles. You can also find a vehicle from private hands. But they cost a lot. I remember in 1988 I saw a Vauxhall Viva 1974 in a terrible state with the motor from the Lada-1200 "(!). For price of a new Lada.
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2011-05-09 10:58	Perhaps we should open a topic in the forum for foreign cars in the USSR.
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-09 11:13	ingo wrote Always funny, the Dutch faible for diminutives Half-way back to topic: is there any chance to identify the camping-trailer? I'm just pondering, if there were some made or available in the USSR? Do we have anyone with closer knowledge around here? There were DDR-campers, Polish ones, too, but were there camping-trailers from other COMECON-countries? I think the caravan was made especially for the movie. Pay attention to the taillights of the GAZ-24 Volga and reinforced wheels from RAF-977. Also, the complete lack of illumination of the number plate. Without him, the caravan was not allowed to on the road.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-09 11:30	BTW, did I ever says, that there is Vauxhall Vectra in my area? And not in town, but in very country....
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-09 12:12	Nightrider wrote BTW, did I ever says, that there is Vauxhall Vectra in my area? And not in town, but in very country.... It is RHD?
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-09 12:25	Yes.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-09 12:47	jefferson wrote including candid stuff.Among these K70. But the majority - it was the VW Passat, BMW 3-series, Opel Ascona, Record, MB W123. Not to forget the hundreds of thousands of all kind of Audis. Very popular there, still today. At least on K 70 is known, which was picked up in Northern Germany in the early 90ies by a Russian dealer, together with other, modern cars. He just took the complete bunch of the cars, the dealer had standung there.
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-09 13:00	ingo wrote Not to forget the hundreds of thousands of all kind of Audis. Very popular there, still today. At least on K 70 is known, which was picked up in Northern Germany in the early 90ies by a Russian dealer, together with other, modern cars. He just took the complete bunch of the cars, the dealer had standung there. By the way, i'm found a photo K70 imported into the USSR in the 70s, when creating a new Moskvich-2141. It is no secret that his arrangement with a longitudinal engine was copied from VW-Audi concept.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-09 13:10	If you could keep it for me, I would be very pleased The internal VW-export-statistics says, that 4 K 70 were officially exported to there. If it's interesting for anyone, I can look for the numbers of other VW's too. I have the lists from 1971 to 1975.
jefferson ◊ 2011-05-09 13:13	ingo wrote If you could keep it for me, I would be very pleased The internal VW-export-statistics says, that 4 K 70 were officially exported to there. If it's interesting for anyone, I can look for the numbers of other VW's too. I have the lists from 1971 to 1975. I can send you a scan later.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-09 13:41	BTW, any moderators here? Rename car...
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2011-05-09 14:02	done.
Maddog80 ◊ 2016-04-21 01:17	1972 Bonneville. You can tell by the grille. It has vertical strips. The Catalina had horizontal strips. Not a Grand Ville. Lettering on the grill on Grand Ville would extend further to the left due to the space between Grand and Ville if it were.
Nightrider ◊ 2016-12-30 17:36	Claimed to be movie car. http://www.zr.ru/archive/zr/2010/07/po-sledam-miraga

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