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1937 Polski Fiat 508/518 pod C.K.M. [117]

1937 Polski Fiat 508/518 [117] in Polski tygodnik dzwiekowy PAT, Documentary, 1927-1939 Ep. 39/05A

Class: Cars, Off-road / SUV — Model origin: PL

1937 Polski Fiat 508/518 pod C.K.M. [117]

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Rola PL

2010-06-26 06:37

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Change "117" to "302" for all 508/518 in database, as it's a new chassis (yes, neither Junak, nor Mazur). Maybe name this variant "taczanka", as it's a motorized HMG (Browning wz.30) carrier.
http://odkrywca.pl/fiat-508,378455.html

Weasel1984 PL

2010-06-27 10:55

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117 indicates engine type, like in case of all PZInż vehicles. Let's say existance of frame type 'PZInż 117' is not so obvious.

Rola PL

2010-06-28 16:08

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All the time I assumed we enter chassis designation into that database field? Still, in THIS case chassis # is known (also used for the "bare bones" trailer variant), read link above and Jońca's book. PZInż. had it's way of numbering not only engines, but chassis as well.

Weasel1984 PL

2010-06-28 16:27

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Chassis types, internal codes, project codes, codes typical for particular type of vehicle etc. We can change this, but I didn't set 302 (not without some doubts), to do not be inconsistent in case of PZInżes. It would be good to check the book of Tarczyński/Szczerbicki.
Edit. Now I had to delete the numbers from the militar PZInżes, as they indicated engines too. In case of personal cars etc., the prefix of chassis and engine can be (and many time is) similar/same, but in case of militar tracotrs etc. won't be.

-- Last edit: 2010-06-28 18:28:08

Pibwl PL

2011-11-29 17:47

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Chassis code "302" is wrong - PF-508/518 had only one artillery tractor variant named PZInż.302, but that's not it. The mentioned books refer PZInż.302 to artillery tractor only as well. Same for all currently listed PF-508/518s /vehicles_make-Polski+Fiat_model-302.html

Weasel1984 PL

2011-11-29 17:52

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Ok, changed. I back to the engine type, typical type naming for old fiats, it can be also more easy to group the cars together.

Weasel1984 PL

2019-01-27 18:12

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I bought recently the special issue of the "Wielki Leksykon Uzbrojenia" dedicated to 508/518. As I understand it, in fact it was chassis type 302 in every case - model was 508/518 on chassis 302. The tractor was sometimes named chassis 302T, but still, let's say the, "model name" (though with army and its naming it not the best term) was 508/518.

The car on pic is version for HMG - in official, period army documents named Samochód pod c.k.m. Polski Fiat 508/518. In mentioned "WLU" this version was also desribed sometimes as "on chassis 302".

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