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1971 Cadillac Funeral Coach Miller-Meteor 'Landau Traditional' 
Class: Cars, Funeral — Model origin: 
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◊ 2006-03-14 21:47 |
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◊ 2006-03-14 21:49 |
1971 Cadillac Traditional Landau Sideloader Funeral Coach by Miller Meteor. |
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◊ 2006-03-14 22:20 |
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◊ 2006-03-14 22:28 |
Other similar vehicle were listed with "Funeral Coach" as model name, I guess it is better to keep that (since anyway there is not really a model name) |
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◊ 2006-03-15 04:17 |
For the sake of accuracy and completeness (for what is a "Database" if some of the data is missing or erroneous), I think you need to look into creating a revised set of parameters for identifying special coach work on any given chassis. For most commercial vehicles such as funeral coaches, ambulances, airport limousines, etc., you need to be able to identify the engine/chassis maker (in this case Cadillac), the coch builder (in this case Miller Meteor) and the model name (in this case Traditional Landau Sideloader). It's probably not easy to accomplish but I feel that's the way you need to go. |
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◊ 2006-03-15 04:18 |
BTW, "Funeral coach" is NOT a model name; it is a body style, like "coupe", "sedan", "convertible", "ambulance", etc. |
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◊ 2006-03-15 07:43 |
...I agree with you "mrcadillac" |
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◊ 2006-03-15 10:27 |
Yes but for lots of cars we specify Convertible or Ambulance in the model name... and what about Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille ?  I agree completely with you about chassis and body maker. To be correct we would name the following fields added: - Body make - Body model In addition of current "make" and "model" fields, which are usually the chassis make & model (except in some special cases where a vehicle is rebadged by the one that solds it, that's another problem). It would also be useful for lots of busses, especially old ones. So I would have to add this to my to-do list. We could maybe create a thread on IMCDb forum to discuss about that. -- Last edit: 2006-03-15 10:28:25 |
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◊ 2006-06-23 22:30 |
Not easy to get aropund this one. To simplify things, according to your current identification criteria, it is a "1971 Miller-Meteor funeral coach." Technically, however, it is a "1971 Miller-Meteor 'Traditional Landau Sideloader' funeral coach on 1971 Cadillac commercial chassis type 69890." The LONG part of the description, and any other interesting details, could simply be left in the contributions of forum users, rather than try to squeeze (some of) them into the title description, which I agree needs to remain short. Also you say: "...what about Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille?" Well, these are ACTUAL Cadillac MODEL names, like "Eldorado" and "Eldorado Biarritz" (convertibles), "Eldorado Brougham" (sedan), "Eldorado Seville" (coupe), "Park Avenue" (sedan), "Fleetwood" (usually a sedan but there are exceptions), "Seville" (sedan), "Calais" (sedan or coupe), "Sedan de Ville" (a sedan), "Coupe de Ville" (a coupe). On the other hand, we have also Cadillac "Model A ...B, ...G,...K..., '30'" [1903-1909], "Type 51 ...53, ...57 ...V-63" [1915-1925], "Series 61 ...62, ...75, ...90, 370B, ...452," [1926-1964] and "Series 'Calais', 'DeVille' and 'Fleetwood'" [1965-1976]. These are not MODEL NAMES nor BODY TYPES; they are groups of body styles, some of which additionally have a name. So, for example, "1930 Cadillac Series 353 'Fleetwind,' cabriolet," an enclosed sedan for 5 passengers with cloth or leather roof covering." Yes, it sounds complicated and crazy, and probably it is, but that's the way the company operated and we must do all e can to accommodate their compex nomenclature. Every bit of the designation has a reason and a purpose; it also clearly distibguishes between one model and another by the same maker. If you limit the basic criteria to YEAR, MAKER and BODY TYPE, then the Cadillac section is going to become quite boring, as well as mostly incorrect and incomplete. So the solution is to use a BRIEF description in the title, and leave the full description inside the section reserved for the comments by Forum users. Also I notice where there is a doubt as to the exact year, nevertheless you will show one that may NOT be correct. Would it not be best, in such a case, to leave the year out? Just show "???". Then it would be up to the forum user to look at the submissions of other users and try to determine APPROXIMATELY the year. |
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◊ 2006-06-23 22:40 |
For coupe/sedan, it was just a joke .gif ";)") Usually we list chassis (e.g. for Rolls-Royce with body made by others, and Citroën trucks with body made by Heuliez). About listing it as a Miller-Meteor, I do not know, this could be done. But when I have time I will try to add something to be able to indicate separately body maker and chassis maker. Are such cars registered as Cadillac or do they lose the "Cadillac" make even for the administration? About the year, we used as convention that we indicate the first possible year when multiple years are possible. Even if the info is not 100% accurate, I think that it is enough in most of the cases, as there are the comments to indicate the years range. |
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◊ 2009-09-03 20:02 |
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