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2005 Renault Vel Satis [X73] Comments about this vehicle| Author | Message |
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◊ 2008-10-12 12:40 |
I love this car  |
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◊ 2008-10-12 12:56 |
It's...  different... |
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◊ 2008-10-12 13:11 |
Well i dont know if you say it as in how ugly it is but that's why i like it, because it is different, it's not precisely common either, at least not in my area. |
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◊ 2008-10-12 13:56 |
Well, not ugly. But also not beautyful, I like it anyway, also not common here. I think there isn't any place where it's common. |
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◊ 2008-10-12 16:19 |
How common in your countries the new Citroen C6 is? I'm asking because for example here it is not a big problem to meet a rather "strange" VelSatis and more classical in shape C6 is rare (well it is made enough long to say is it popular or not). -- Last edit: 2008-10-12 16:20:14 |
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◊ 2008-10-12 16:25 |
I like it, does it’s name "Val Satis" have any particular meaning ? |
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◊ 2008-10-12 16:41 |
VELocité & SATISfaction |
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◊ 2008-10-12 16:46 |
Ah, thanks. |
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◊ 2008-10-12 18:09 |
In Germany it's quite rare (if someone over here want's to have a premium car, he chooses Mercedes, BMW or Audi), but I think, you can see more C6 than Vel Satis. |
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◊ 2008-10-12 19:37 |
Different, certainly .... but surely an uggly car I'm affraid  |
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◊ 2008-10-12 20:56 |
Yes, you are not the best example .gif ";)") , well, but let's say that it is rather understandable - with so big number of upper class cars which you are making and opinion which they have it would be rather strange if they wouldn't be preferred in their homeland. On the other hand I have always been surprised that in Germany which is so big manufacturer, you have on the roads so big diversity of imported vehicles. For example the comapct ones - Golf is probably the bestseller (no?), but IMO it is not so well visible on yours streets - there is so many other, foreign same class cars of different makes. I would say it is similar with others, especially smaller vehicles. But back to the C6, I was simply interested whether the Citroen is satisfied from the sale of this car, and is it a successful model? The fact that such niche car like Vel Satis is common next to it worried me (well but it can be just a local deviation  ).Of course I have nothing to big German sedans, but even if I'm not the potential buyer I hope that some day they won't be the only premium class cars on the market. These were nice and interesting times when such vehicles were offered by Fiat, Lancia or even by other German brands like Opel. -- Last edit: 2008-10-12 21:25:14 |
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◊ 2008-10-13 17:54 |
@Weasel: in Germany there are differences between the classes of cars. At smaller or medium cars the price is often an important fact for the buyer - an German made cars are often more expensive then imported. At premium cars it\'s different. There the status and the reputation is a big thing for the buyers. Yes, except Mercedes, BMW and Audi there are more companies, which are offering premium cars. But even if these other premium cars are better quality or are offering more value for the money, they will not have the same status as the three German brands. Even if the new prices are similar to Mercedes or BMW, the prices for used cars are always much lower. And these opinions and prejudices are lasting over decades! Audi had made a fight up to the premium segment, made by the quattro, the V8 and mainly the A8 (not by the 200, it was seen as pimped up 100 - which is true). Before, in the 70ies Audi had the reputation at first for a bit sportive family-cars, but then as grandfather-cars. Audi has raeched the top, this is Germanys actual president\'s car: Link to "www.herne.de" BMW has made this way a few years before Audi, caused by the 7-Series. The 501/502 and the E3 couldn\'t reach the status of Mercedes Benz not really. All others have failed until now. If you look at Opel. Neither Kapitän, Diplomat or Senator had reached the top. Ford Granada and Scorpio have been worse. Jaguar wasn\'t better (one reason, why so many Jags are destroyed in German movies. VW will also loose with its Phaeton (is still active with loosing). The reasons above are the reasons, why the Lexus is very very rare in Germany. Every road-test says, that the Lexus is a good, reliable car with much sapce and in best quality, sometimes better than Mercedes. In the mind of many Germans Japanese cars have the status of the early 70ies: as cheap, rough car with ancient technology, made for Thirld World-countries, but not for German garages. And US-cars were always out of question. Even in the 50ies they had the reputaion of big, but cheaply made cars with truck-technology, but with many chrome for ostentatious reasons. US-cars were (still are) seen as cars for the demimonde and underworld, for primitive people, who made too fast too much money, but weren\'t able to develop real taste. |
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◊ 2008-10-13 18:00 |
P.S. After releasing the Citroen DS had attracked a big attention (the most older people are still remembering, where they have seen their first DS, similar to the NSU RO 80), but the difficult (or unknown) technology (as the RO 80, too) has made a big distance. This distance Citroen couldn't shut with their premium cars until today. But as I've wrote before: my wife's uncle drives big Citroen's since 30 years (CX, XM, now C5 - the C6 was too expensive) and he is still happy - not any breakdown during the years. |
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◊ 2008-10-13 18:05 |
About Fiat: I like the 130, and I know since a lot of years, that used Fiats, especially the bigger ones, are ridicolus cheap to get, but I never had the idea to buy one. Even the fact, that in the Fiat-garage in our village (still in 80ies-style, with Fiat 132-engine-gaskets hanging in the background) are working very nice people (and the village's hottest cuties at the cashier of the bloning gas-station) will (very probably) not change my mind. |
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◊ 2008-10-14 01:21 |
In this case Fiat is indeed not for you... you have a wife, as I ve heard.  Well I admit, by this opinion about the Japanese cars you suprised me a lot (I'm surprised again on the same page ), especially that sometimes it looks like they would be the second most common cars in Germany. Second just after the German ones. But you've already explained this and of course I understand that we are talking about these more/most luxury vehicles and their snobbish owners. |
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◊ 2008-10-14 16:42 |
The most common importer is Renault over here (resp. in some years). Sometimes you see Renaults with stickers on the back screen "Renault. Importeur No.1 in Deutschland" -- Last edit: 2008-10-14 16:43:12 |
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◊ 2008-10-14 17:27 |
Not for the 1st time I got the impression that we obviously live in two different Germanies... |
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◊ 2008-10-14 18:24 |
@Animatronixx: haven't you ever heard this opinion (prejudice), that Japanese cars are cheap (cheap made and cheap prices)? Sure, this is getting less in the last years, but I remember my childhood-time in the 70ies as a car-crazy small boy, there nearly every car-interested person had this opinion. A few one had loughed about Japanese cars (even if they never had driven one), the others have ignored them. |
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◊ 2008-10-14 18:32 |
One older ressentiment, I've heard from my mother (born in 1945), when I told her, that I have bought my Opel Omega: "Opel-drivers are ugly persons." - "Why" - "A typical Opel-driver is for me a fat, blustering butcherman with a hat in a black Opel Kapitän with trailer-coupling". She still had her childhood-impressions of the 50ies... |
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◊ 2008-10-14 19:12 |
Vel Satis = waste of time , better off with top spec Laguna |
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◊ 2008-10-14 19:33 |
Yes, sure, but it must be almost 20 years ago when I heard those rumours for the last time. Anyway, I´ve never given a damn about the vast amount of urban legends and wide generalizations out there and nowadays I rarely get in touch with ´em. I don´t know: Either people forget to tell me such pretty outdated phrases or I simply forget to remember the people telling me things like these... Possibly my senses on that sector already started to dull long time ago, for I had to deal with them way too often... (John Doe: "Look, there´s Animatronixx across the street. Do you see that? His clothes are all black. BLACK!!! OMG! He must be a really dangerous desperado from hell! Or even below!!! I wonder if he uses to eat small children!")  -- Last edit: 2008-10-14 19:34:30 |
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◊ 2008-10-14 19:38 |
Black clothing is quite fashionable ... |
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◊ 2008-10-14 19:53 |
Very Armani style .gif ":)") |
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