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Dennis Pagefield-Walker 'Paladin' Northern Counties

Dennis Pagefield-Walker 'Paladin' in March to Aldermaston, Documentary, 1959 IMDB

Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: UK

Dennis Pagefield-Walker 'Paladin' Northern Counties

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johnfromstaffs EN

2008-04-28 12:40

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There is not enough information to identify the chassis manufacturer but the refuse collection system on this truck is a Pagefield-Walker "Paladin" of about 1955 and the bodywork could be Northern Counties. The most likely chassis manufacturer would be Dennis or SD but this is pure guesswork as we can't even see the wheels.

sixcyl FR

2008-04-28 13:28

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Thanks jfS for these informations. I thought this picture was enough interesting to be post on its own page though the cabin and chassis beeing not identifiable. Since you gives the name of the bodywork and refuse collection system, I suggest to use randomly Dennis or SD as chassis manufacturer for this one, therefore it can be taken out from the "unkown list"

Alexander DE

2008-04-28 14:58

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Now we only have to find out which make the Borough of St Mary Bourne used in 1958. :)

johnfromstaffs EN

2008-04-28 17:13

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The only really certain thing is the refuse collection system, a photograph appears on page 46 of the British magazine "Vintage Roadscene" for December 2005. I suggested Dennis or SD as their chassis were frequently used for municipal vehicles until about 1970 (now I find more like 1990), but it could be anything under there.

Alexander, if I may just add local knowledge without causing offence, the operator will be Borough of St Marylebone, which is a district of North London, close to the Planetarium and Madame Toussauds exhibition. I think it has now been rearranged into the London Borough of Camden, but that may be wrong.

UK municipal vehicles have a history all their own, with specialist manufacturers of both body and chassis.

-- Last edit: 2008-04-28 19:44:49

Sunbar UK

2008-04-28 17:56

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Alexander wrote Now we only have to find out which make the Borough of St Mary Bourne used in 1958. :)


A picture of the full vehicle....

Small but it shows the actual St. Marylebone refuse truck.

[Image: dustcart1hw7.8061.jpg]

Later vehicles after 1960s are shown as being Shelvoke & Drewry.

source: Link to "www.westminster.gov.uk"

-- Last edit: 2008-04-28 17:57:44

Alexander DE

2008-04-28 18:40

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Thanks for the info, John, you are certainly causing no offence at all. I always like to learn more! Actually Marylebone was my first idea, but I wasn't aware that it was such a holy place. ;) Many years ago, when visting friends, I often used the Marylebone Station coming in from Denham using the Chiltern Line.

St Mary Bourne is close to Aldermaston, hence my idea.


I think Shelvoke & Drewry had not such a big chassis in the 1950s. Still looking ...

johnfromstaffs EN

2008-04-28 19:06

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Shelvoke and Drewry began to attack the municipal vehicle market in the 1920s with a small vehicle called the SD Freighter. It had very small wheels, early ones I think had solid tyres, and it had the engine mounted transversely under the driver's seat. There was a tiller for the steering and another one for the gears. The idea was that it would be easy to manouevre in tight spaces where there had previously been horse drawn vehicles. The engine was their own two litre side valve four.

It was a success, most municipalities having the vehicle for refuse collection, and cess-pit and gully cleaning. (Don't ask!!) There was even a bus version called the tram-o-car, several of which were used at the North Wales seaside resort of Rhyl, for trips along the promenade. There is a Tram-o-car at the Amberley working museum in Sussex, and I have ridden on it.

S&D carried on with the municipal business until the late eighties latterly using Perkins engines.

-- Last edit: 2008-04-29 19:36:19

sixcyl FR

2008-04-28 19:14

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Very interesting infos . Do you prefer we use SD as make than Dennis for this one? ...looking at the picture sent by Sunbar it looks very close to this one

Sunbar UK

2008-04-28 19:21

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Alexander wrote ....

I think Shelvoke & Drewry had not such a big chassis in the 1950s. Still looking ...


For me there is nothing to say S+D is at all likely.

Without a front view, or somebody that remembers the actual vehicles, I guess its impossible to say what the chassis was. It could be anything but another common municipal vehicle make was Commer/Karrier.

I'm not ruling out that somewhere on the internet the front of this truck is shown in a photograph. It appears to have been used for promotional purposes when new. So we could get lucky. :)

johnfromstaffs EN

2008-04-28 20:12

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I would agree that SD is not so likely. They had their own system called Pakamatic and might not have wanted to use the Paladin system on their trucks. Stick with Dennis pro tem until something better in the way of a photograph comes up.

rattle on EN

2013-05-15 16:54

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This refuse wagon would have been a Pagefield,who built not only refuse bodies,but lorries has well and was called a Pagefield paladin

-- Last edit: 2013-05-15 16:58:36

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