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1963 Kässbohrer Setra S 10

1963 Kässbohrer Setra S 10 in El Lobo, Movie, 2004 IMDB

Class: Bus, Single-deck — Model origin: DE

1963 Kässbohrer Setra S 10

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Alexander DE

2005-12-18 19:25

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Kässbohrer Setra S10 of ca. 1963.
The number 10 means ten rows of seats ... so this is a bit of guessing.

Ralph DE

2006-03-13 20:33

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... and Setra means 'SElbstTRAgende karosserie'
The first Kässbohrer Setra was the 1. bus without a extra chassis.

Kässbohrer is the make, Setra S10 is the typ.

Alexander DE

2006-03-28 17:17

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Ralph wrote ... and Setra means 'SElbstTRAgende karosserie'
The first Kässbohrer Setra was the 1. bus without a extra chassis.

Kässbohrer is the make, Setra S10 is the typ.

Sorry, but no. The brand name for the busses is 'Kässbohrer Setra'.
Other vehicles, like the 'PistenBully' use only 'Kässbohrer' as a brand name.

antp BE

2006-03-28 17:46

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The only thing that I can confirm is that in Belgium I see often busses with a very big "Kässbohrer Setra" logo on the rear :D

Ralph DE

2006-03-29 03:09

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@Alexander.
Ich bin mit diesen Bussen aufgewachsen. Mein Opa hatte davon einige. Der Hersteller ist Kässbohrer.
Richtig ist, dass Karl Kässbohrer der Erfinder der selbsttragenden Karosserie bei Bussen war und ab da nur noch nach diesem Prinzip Busse baute und mit dem unübersehbaren Zusatz Setra das nach Aussen Werbewirksam zeigte (niedriegere Einstieghöhe). Du wirst mir sicherlich zustimmen, das es ziemlicher Blödsinn ist, ältere Kässbohrer Busse mit LKW Chassis und spätere Kässbohrer Setras hier unter zwei verschiedenen Herstellern zu führen.

@antp.
Kässbohrer as brand and Setra as typ is the best.


Kässbohrer Bus from 1911:
http://www.konrad-auwaerter.de/datenbank/bilder/normal/144.jpg
Kässbohrer Bus from 1952:
http://www.setra-info.de/geschichte/images/1_gelenk.gif
First Kässbohrer Bus with "Setra" chassis:
http://www.setra-info.de/geschichte/images/S8_frei.gif
Kässbohrer "Setra" Ad
http://www.setra-info.de/geschichte/images/s8_prospekt_01.gif

Alexander DE

2006-03-29 14:53

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@Ralph:
Thanks for your comment. Let me answer in English, so that the others can follow our discussion more easily. I hope you don't mind.

You are of coures right that Kässbohrer invented and produced the self-supporting (chassis-less) busses and coined the name 'Setra' for this constuction principle. But doing so they started to use 'Kässbohrer Setra' as a brand name for the busses (according to a number of sources). Other products (Trailers, PistenBully) were not affected by this change. In 1993 the off-road section (PistenBully) was separated from the rest of the Kässbohrer company, which itself was taken over by Daimler-Benz in 1995. Since then the busses are being branded 'Setra'.

So we actually have three names for one line of products:
'Kässbohrer': busses with chassis and the PistenBully
'Kässbohrer Setra': chassis-less busses until 1995
'Setra': chassis-less busses since

It is not uncommon that a brand name changes. Just think of all the 'Jeeps':
'Willys' by 'Willys-Overland'
'Willys' by 'Kaiser-Frazer'
'Kaiser Jeep' by 'Kaiser-Frazer'
'AMC' by 'AMC'
'AMC' by 'AMC-Renault'
'Jeep' by 'Chrysler'
'Jeep' by 'DaimlerChrysler'

Other examples are
'Büssing' -> 'Büssing-NAG' -> 'Büssing' -> 'MAN-Büssing' -> 'MAN'
'Leyland' van -> 'Leyland Sherpa' -> 'Morris Sherpa' -> 'Freight Rover Sherpa' -> 'Freight Rover' -> 'Leyland-DAF' -> 'LDV' ... and that is for one design!

I do agree that it is difficult for the reader to switch between brand names. Therefore I did suggest to introduce a glossary where among other things company and brand name histories can be explained.

To sum it up: keeping 'Kässbohrer Setra' as the brand name is correct for the chassis-less busses.

Ulm-77 DE

2013-10-11 17:28

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Alexander wrote ...

So we actually have three names for one line of products:
'Kässbohrer': busses with chassis and the PistenBully
'Kässbohrer Setra': chassis-less busses until 1995
'Setra': chassis-less busses since

thats right !


but you forgot something very important :-) ... "Kässbohrer Setra - the greatest name in buses" ; like the same slogan of Mack-Trucks/USA. but the one of Setra was only in german speak.

(in original: "Das Beste Wort für Omnibus") - this was a real slogan of Kässbohrer´s buses before EvoBus.


Gruß Wolfgang

-- Last edit: 2013-10-11 17:31:10

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