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1952 Leyland Comet Windover

1952 Leyland Comet in Backfire!, Movie, 1962 IMDB

Class: Trucks, Fire truck — Model origin: UK

1952 Leyland Comet Windover

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

Comments about this vehicle

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Sunbar UK

2020-03-04 21:43

The flowing roofline was typical of early to mid-1950s HCB design I think? Other body manufactures had similar designs but less curved.

Chassis is more of a problem, Bedfords were common with HCB but unlikely a S-type. A type or J type normal control chassis with cab pushed forward by the wheel-arch intrusion but its all speculation. Commer unlikely I think.

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-03-04 23:51

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26836547-hcb--angus

Sunbar UK

2020-03-05 13:49

^ Yes, I purchased that about six months ago as being probably the best source for information.

Nothing with the same cab door arrangement and both the Bedford S and Commer look less than likely.

Similar in general appearance but definitely not the same...

https://www.fire-engine-photos.com/picture/number16180.asp

-- Last edit: 2020-03-05 13:54:52

Sunbar UK

2020-03-05 14:01

Leyland Comet is a possibility but the cab door looks smaller in the movie, again just not enough visible to be certain.

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Sunbar UK

2020-03-05 17:52

Leyland Comet Windover now looks right after finding a rear-side view from a similar view point. The cab door looks short from the rear because the doors are set at an angle. Even the Comet's step into the cab now appears to be visible.

https://www.fire-engine-photos.com/picture/number15746.asp

-- Last edit: 2020-03-05 18:00:19

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-03-06 09:02

I don’t doubt your identification but do suggest that this emphasises the minefield of identifying coachbuilt vehicles, of whatever type.

The whims and foibles of the buyer can be incorporated into the resultant product, later causing problems for those who think everything of a certain type should be produced like peas in a pod.

As a further instance, my otherwise standard R-type Bentley is one of a quite small number with a centre gear change, trying to identify it from an interior view would cause the half-informed some difficulty.

-- Last edit: 2020-03-06 09:06:51

Sunbar UK

2020-03-06 16:54

The Comets with Windover bodies do appear to be more standardised than the HCBs. Whilst the HCB appliances in general were more numerous (but the Comet was a rarity) they were tailored individually to each brigades requirements and there is no attempt at standardisation. I've been staring at the recessed door handles on both HCB and Windover for hours (don't ask me why), only to come to the conclusion they both fitted whatever was available round or triangular/trilobular. Side locker, hose-reel locations etc. again are only broadly similar. The only two features I'm hanging on to currently is the roof-lines over the crew cab and the immediate cab details themselves.

Something better than guess-work, about 60 or 70%... I think Comet without any better view, and most likely a Windover body.

jcb UK

2021-01-31 10:43

Late to this, good detective work and agree Leyland Comet with Windover body , maybe Surrey Fire Brigade or ex SFB.
Hose reel position is unusal, found picture of model that shows it-
[Image: 2021-01-31.jpg]

Leyland Comet RPG 22 survives-
https://www.fire-engine-photos.com/picture/number8477.asp

-- Last edit: 2021-01-31 11:05:01

jcb UK

2021-01-31 10:59

Being watching these films and it looks like the Leyland Comet reg. no. is RPG21 which was with Surrey Fire Brigade at Mitcham.
Note also the Austin A40 car is reg. 21 RPG so most probably a genuine SFB vehicle.
[Image: 2021-01-311.jpg]

-- Last edit: 2021-01-31 11:02:45

dsl SX

2021-01-31 22:31

RPG 21 = Surrey, Jan 52 to Feb 53 "allocated in blocks". 21 RPG = aug 60 to Feb 61, also "allocated in blocks"

Sunbar UK

2021-02-02 12:26

JCB wrote ...

Leyland Comet RPG 22 survives-
https://www.fire-engine-photos.com/picture/number8477.asp


The above link's comments also give a clue to the identity of the other fire engine as Mitcham stationed Surrey Fire Brigade's 'Rolls Dennis'.

-- Last edit: 2021-02-02 12:27:00

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