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Mercedes unknown

Mercedes unknown in Abwege, Movie, 1928 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: DE

Mercedes unknown

Position 00:11:10 [*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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chicomarx BE

2020-01-31 02:47

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[Image: cap-abwege1920dvbripxvid-kgavi00_17_41-00010.jpg] [Image: cap-abwege1920dvbripxvid-kgavi00_11_13-00009.jpg] [Image: cap-abwege1920dvbripxvid-kgavi00_11_19-00016b.jpg]

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s13a RU

2020-01-31 10:19

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Reminds me of Benz 10/30 PS from 1923, but the doors are hinged differently. Maybe it's a later/different model made specifically for taxi companies? It's certainly German.

Link to "auto.vercity.ru"

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johnfromstaffs EN

2020-01-31 21:57

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Looks like a Protos to me.

Scroll down.
https://myntransportblog.com/2016/04/

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(inactive user)

2020-01-31 22:45

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Scroll down where? I don't see any pic that matches the main car perfectly.

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-01-31 22:48

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It’s a low production coachbuilt vehicle.

The chances of finding a perfect match are not great, look at any salient points you think necessary and make a decision. It’s not like looking at a Cortina.

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chicomarx BE

2020-01-31 22:54

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[Image: protos.jpg] [Image: protos2.jpg]
It does seem to have the V-shape grille.

(inactive user)

2020-01-31 23:01

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I'm afraid that looks nothing like it. The side vents aren't the same, the windshield and side windows are much bigger, tire size is different, rims are not the same.

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s13a RU

2020-01-31 23:01

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I'm sorry for interrupting, but isn't the radiator actually angled (i.e. it doesn't look flat from here)

A comparison, again, at the Benz (Or Mercedes which shared the same grille in some of their models during that era)
[Image: 87f405-benz-type-1030-hp-saloon.jpg]

Also compare the hood louvres...

But I'm not saying that it is the one, however it doesn't look like Protos either.

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(inactive user)

2020-01-31 23:05

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s13a wrote I'm sorry for interrupting


No need to be sorry, your pic is a match. Congratulations for the great find.

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s13a RU

2020-01-31 23:13

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That picture isn't a 100% match, but it might be closest to Benz (or Mercedes), though this is a bit challenging when the radiator itself is covered in some sort of protection cloth.

And I'm not sure if this should be identified as either Benz, Mercedes or Mercedes-Benz (since both Benz and Mercedes were still separate makes before 1926 and this car seems to be older than that).

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johnfromstaffs EN

2020-01-31 23:15

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Fine.

But once again, I repeat that this is a 1920s coachbuilt vehicle, multiple copies of the same design are infrequent, and to make matters more difficult the same bodywork gets used on differing chassis. You can think what you like, but trying to identify a vehicle of this era from the coachwork alone does not work. In the 1920s Bentley and Rolls-Royce were completely different companies, there are cases where a 3 litre and a Twenty used the same coachwork, the chassis became more common in design after Royces bought Bentley, and bodies were used which would not permit identification from certain views. Big Austins, Alvises, Humbers, Lanchester and Armstrong Siddeleys could also be found with similarities so I am always sceptical about identification of such types from bodies alone.

I have been posting suggestions here for 12 years and 18 days. I do not always get things right, but if you wish to check my veracity there are 262 pages of posts at which you can look.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-01 16:51

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kegare wrote I'm afraid that looks nothing like it. The side vents aren't the same, the windshield and side windows are much bigger, tire size is different, rims are not the same.


Side vents == Coachwork.
Windscreen == Coachwork.
Side windows == Coachwork.
Wheels and tyres. == It’s a Taxi. The taxi proprietors in London at that time, and maybe now, fitted their own style of wheel and tyre equipment. This could have applied elsewhere. If the quantity of studs and nuts per wheel station is different, this might be evidence.

Nothing you have said is relevant to the make of the chassis.

It may be a Mercédès, it may be something else, but it seems you are not really au fait with cars from the 1920s, as you would have realised what is relevant and what may not be.

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(inactive user)

2020-02-01 16:57

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Yes, I did. I've just mentioned that the wheels aren't the same. Rims = no, tire size =no. You're saying it's a different vehicle just because of the coachwork. Nothing matches. Not even the doors have the right proportions, only the wheelbase is similar. You're just assuming it is what you want it to be.

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-01 17:01

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You don’t understand what you are saying at all.

My comment was “It looks like a Protos to me.”

Go away, learn something about the vehicles of this era, and come back when you have.

/vehicle_169728-Bentley-41-2-Litre-ST3014-1927.html 41/2 litre Bentley.

/vehicle_958653-Bentley-41-2-Litre-AB3351-1929.html 41/2 litre Bentley.

Nothing matches.



-- Last edit: 2020-02-01 17:19:16

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