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1951 Buick Super Convertible [56-C]

1951 Buick Super [56-C] in J'irai cracher sur vos tombes, Movie, 1959

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin:

1951 Buick Super Convertible [56-C]

Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

Comments about this vehicle

Author	Message
antp ◊ 2007-09-28 11:52
Ray B. ◊ 2007-09-28 13:23	1952 Buick Special DeLuxe convertible.
DynaMike ◊ 2007-09-28 13:26	I was hesitating between 1951 and 1952, and between Special and Super... Could you help to specify the differences?
58Roadmaster ◊ 2007-09-28 13:35	Trim on 52 models did not continue past the gravel guards. This is a 51 Super Convertible, model 56C Link to "tocmp.com"
Ray B. ◊ 2007-09-28 13:53	58roadmaster wrote Trim on 52 models did not continue past the gravel guards. This is a 51 Super Convertible, model 56C Link to "tocmp.com" You're right of course. I got mixed-up but meant 1951. Another difference, as I pointed elsewhere, is that the bumper guards rest on the bumper in 1951 (as here), while they cover the bumper in 1952. But I maintain this is a Special Deluxe, model 45C. In 1951, the Super has some kind of oblong ornaments on top of the fenders. The Special, as this one, doesn't.
pilou ◊ 2007-09-28 15:21	?? 1951 Buicks did not have oblong ornaments on top of the rear fenders even not the Roadmasters.1952 Buicks had them on all series except on the standard Specials. My view is that this could be a 1950 Super model 56-C or a 1950 Special DeLuxe model 45-C hard to tell here .Both rode on the same wheelbase of 121.5 inch. ,but the Super was slightly larger.The Super had directional lights incorporated into the round bumper guards ,and the super script appeared on the trunklid and steering wheel , details not visible here. Concerning the production run the Super sold 8116 units , 4 times more than the Special DeLuxe ( 2099 units)
Ray B. ◊ 2007-09-28 18:07	I'm speaking of the front fenders. -- Last edit: 2007-09-28 18:10:48 (G-MANN)
58Roadmaster ◊ 2007-09-29 00:12	It was hard to see if there are chrome spears on the front fenders. The more frontal 3/4 view that is included in addition to the main page appeared to show those marker/directional lights. It's possible that export models had different trim for its individual series designations. I have no evidence to support that theory.
Ray B. ◊ 2007-09-29 14:23	58roadmaster wrote It was hard to see if there are chrome spears on the front fenders. The more frontal 3/4 view that is included in addition to the main page appeared to show those marker/directional lights. It's possible that export models had different trim for its individual series designations. I have no evidence to support that theory. Well, I've checked again. Effectively, those ornaments on top of the front fenders, which where supposed to house the parking lights, are shown on sales litterature I had, like this example http://www.plan59.com/cars/cars192.htm but were never produced. My mistake. So there's no way to tell if its a Special Deluxe or a Super I guess. But, Pilou, you're usually so good at naming cars that I wonder how you ever saw a 1950 model here. The 1950 had a very special grille, with the "teeth" completely covering the bumper. There's no way to mistake a 51 for a 50 if you remember that.
pilou ◊ 2007-09-29 14:37	The oblong ornaments on top of the front fenders you are referring to are probably the unusual fender-mounted standing light housings as can be seen on early 1951 catalogs,Buick Magazines and factory pictures on all series. But they were in fact never produced and you do not see them on real cars or real car pictures( reference :Seventy Years of Buick , G.H.Damman,Crestline Publishing Company 1973 pp 228 ) also not on this one.Later factory pictures show both the Special DeLuxes and Supers ( and the other series as well) without them,Buick having corrected this. So this can absolutely not be a factor to distinguish a Super from a Special.My view is that this one could still be a either a 1951 Buick Super series 56-C or a 1951 Buick Special DeLuxe 45-C ( sorry for my previous intervention , I mistaped 1950).If the presence of directional lights in the round grille/bumper guards can be spotted then this would be a Super.
Ray B. ◊ 2007-09-29 15:19	So we agree, Pilou. The Damman book being my source also, and where I learned those fender mounted parking lights had never been produced. It's true that Buick litterature often leads to mistakes (for instance the 1952 are also shown with 1951 bumper gards, and so on). My question: if the Special's parking lights are not in the round grille guards, where are they ?
pilou ◊ 2007-09-29 16:48	The 1951 Buick wiring diagrams can be seen on Buicksnet and I did check those.In fact there are 3 diagrams.The first concerns the series 40 without signals ( turn signals) as many series 40 cars were still sold. Here the upper and lower beams and the parking beam provided by the separate parking lamp are located in the headlight unit.The second concerns the series 40 with signals.In this case the upper and lower beam are within the headlight unit but there is a combined lamp for the parking beam and signal beam.The same applies for the series 50.This would imply that series 40 Buicks with turning sigals may also have had them in the round grille housing as the Supers ,contrary of what some sources say, because a signal beam cannot work in a upper or lower beam and must be separated.If so the presence of a lens in the round grille guards may also have been seen on some Specials.So this leaves us with a continuing question, a Special or a Super ?.I am still tempted to go for a Super based on the production figures.
Yvon52 ◊ 2007-09-29 17:14	Don't forget, this an European Buick, and possibly assembled in Antwerp, Belgium.
58Roadmaster ◊ 2007-09-29 19:36	The body crease looks lower on the attached pic. Supers and RMs had this type of crease, Specials had a straight line crease from the front fender rearward to the bulge. http://www.almondexotictransports.com/images/1951%20Buick.jpg
philr ◊ 2007-09-29 19:55	It's a 1951 Super. The Special and Super have a different body, it's easy to tell between both by looking at the shape of the upper part of the doors and rear quarters. Special http://buicks.net/years/51/images/51_46c.jpg Super Link to "home.no.net"
philr ◊ 2007-09-29 20:03	Here are thumbnails in case the links in my previous post wouldn't work: 1951 Super 56C (note the additional crease in the body on the rear quarters on the Super, it's also visible on the main picture) The second picture that Antoine sent shows the shape of the upper doors of the Super compare with the 1951 Special 46C... -- Last edit: 2007-09-29 20:05:14
Ray B. ◊ 2007-09-29 23:16	philr wrote Here are thumbnails in case the links in my previous post wouldn't work: 1951 Super 56C (note the additional crease in the body on the rear quarters on the Super, it's also visible on the main picture) The second picture that Antoine sent shows the shape of the upper doors of the Super compare with the 1951 Special 46C... Of course ! That's obvious. It's funny that, after a long study of the Crestline Buick book, we did not spot that.

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