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1974 unknown

1974 unknown in Lära för livet, Mini-Series, 1977 IMDB Ep. 5

Class: Bus, Single-deck

1974 unknown

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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atom SE

2019-01-06 14:00

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HAZ130 1974 Sno-Tric SC 20
HAZ131 1991 Suzuki LT-F4WDX
HAZ132 1995 Trailergruppen Y 1500 B
HAZ133 2008 Audi A4 2.0 TDI
HAZ134 1999 Saab 9-5 SE 4D 2.0T
HAZ135 2009 Opel Astra
HAZ136 1980 Kubota L185 TP
HAZ137 1999 Saab 9-5 SE 4D 2.0T
HAZ138 1991 Lynx GLS 3800 R.a.v.e.
HAZ139 2008 Baotian BT49QT-9

Jale PL

2019-01-06 14:28

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HAZ should be 1974, like the other bueses --> http://www.svenskbusshistoria.se/asp/search/dosearch.asp?svalue=HAZ

zodiac SE

2019-01-07 11:25

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@Jale:
Sweden changed registration number plate system in 1972-74.
The change took place over a period of time as the machine which was bought to stamp the plates couldn't make more than a certain number each day. The plates were originally stamped in Aluminium with a hard wearing, almost but not quite, illuminating material for the white, but changed to plastics in the 80's. I do know that counties in Sweden got them in turn, and some had to wait for quite a long time until they got them.
What I don't know is whether the machine started stamping AAA 001 and finished with ZZZ 999 or if they had some other system. I think I believe they used the letters A until G, or perhaps H, for the 1972-74 badge and delivered them randomly. I believe I've seen a late 60's Rambler with a plate staring with G of the original badge.

What I try to say is that one cannot tell a specific model year from the original badge. Not that I'm aware of, anyway.

atom SE

2019-01-07 17:14

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You can most certainly tell something about the registration date by the first letter of the license number. During the changeover in 1972-1973 they used most combination starting with A-G. They started using H in 1974 and the rest of the letters followed in numerical order.
They didn't give the oldest car AAA001 and so on with the first combinations. The first A-G combinations where issued in blocks to different counties so it's also possible to determine where the was registered during the changeover. When all the new plates had been issued to the old cars with the county plates the new registrations that followed was in numerical order and it's for all plates starting with H-Z you can use them to determine the year of a vehicle. There are some pitfalls that you should be aware of though. Cars that are imported or re-registered can get a higher letter than what was possible than when it was sold new in Sweden. New registrations can also get a reused number and get an 'older' letter of course.

I parked my 1988 Volvo 240 next to an elderly man with a similar 240 a while back. I asked him if his 240 was a 1988. He was very impressed and said it was correct. I didn't tell him it was easy to know because his plate started with NXH and mine started with NXD. N is almost exclusive 1988.
My parents bought a brand new Volvo V60 three years ago but they got MCP which is a reused combination. M was first issued in 1986. If you buy a brand new car you want something starting with Y that was first issued in 2015, I pity them!
As you know a lot of people in Sweden cherish the old American iron and the pinnacle is to have a 'Svensksåld' (=sold new in Sweden). If you show up in a fifties car and the plate starts with Y everybody will know that it's a recent import. I was lucky that my import got the combination CXM so I could probably put some mudflaps on it and at least have a chance to fool someone ;)

The bus above starts with H and if we assume that it wasn't imported second hand or that another vehicle had this plate before it then it would probably be a 1974. As you can see in my list above the oldest vehicle is a 1974, the rest is reused numbers unfortunately. From Jales search we can also se that there was a few 1974 buses that started with HAZ.

atom SE

2019-01-07 17:23

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Jale PL

2019-01-08 02:20

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Thanx for the info. :)

zodiac SE

2019-01-08 11:53

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@atom:

I'm well aware of all this, but as you say:
"...if we assume that it wasn't imported second hand or that another vehicle had this plate before it then it would probably be a 1974."

Just one other problem though:
When the car registration authority (SWE: Bilregistreringsnämnden) advertised about the number plate change over, they had put a plate HGX 381 on a Volvo PV rear bumper. But as Volvo stopped production of the PV in 1965 that would make it much earlier MY than 1974.

My point is that the bus above might well be of MY 1974, and that is the latest possible registration year, but it can also be of earlier date.

You're quite right about the 1988 date, as far as I can figure out N covered most of MY 1988. The 740 at home has NFK as letters and was made, according to what I can figure out of stamping on plastic details, in roughly March 1988. When was your NXD 240 made?

atom SE

2019-01-08 17:53

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A good point, I have that pamphlet right here next to me. In the brochure there is also an MLB plate, the unused combination used by the government and car manufacturers in brochures and commercials.
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Irrelevant but probably interesting information is that in 1974 owners who had their vehicles avställda and still haven't had their vehicles registered with the new plate got a last chance before it was 'too late'. Therefor som older vehicles also have H.

My 240 was Påställt första gången i Sverige 1988-11-14 according to the registry. The chassisnumber is only 1300 numbers higher than the first number of the 1988B. I can check the stamping later if you like.

zodiac SE

2019-01-10 22:04

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@atom:
Thank you! I was looking for that one, but I couldn't find it.

So that's why I've seen older cars with H registration.

One question, though:
I see that you have several issues of Bilkalendern. My old Fiat, a 1954 1400 A, has still the old number plates with W 31 110, but when I've looked in Bilkalendern (I think it was 1956 57 or 58, but I'm not certain) it has shown a Fiat from, I believe, 1931. If you have the time at some point, could I ask you to look what it says in one of yours?

It bothers me greatly that I can't place the bus, I've seen this rear end before...

atom SE

2019-01-10 23:26

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@zodiac:
I have the Bilkalendern for W from 1959 and 1960, unfortunately no car, truck or bus had this number in either. Maybe the old Fiat was junked, sold to a different county or the owner moved to a different county around this time and yours was registered in W slightly after?

If you are interested to find its history I'd recommend that you order the old registration papers from https://riksarkivet.se/fordonsregister

zodiac SE

2019-01-11 11:14

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@atom.
Thank you very much indeed!
I will look it up eventually.

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