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1957 Ford Escort Estate with van rear doors [100E]

1957 Ford Escort Estate [100E] in Our Mother's House, Movie, 1967 IMDB

Class: Cars, Wagon — Model origin: UK

1957 Ford Escort Estate with van rear doors [100E]

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johnfromstaffs EN

2018-08-31 19:44

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Is it a Ford 300E van, with added side windows, or an Escort or Squire? The petrol filler is at the back as on the estate cars, but the rear doors are van style, not Escort/Squire type horizontally opening although the small rubber buffer which supported the lower tail gate is present on the inner ends of the quarter bumpers. The rear doors with the larger windows were occasionally seen on the vans.

There are no decorations to the body sides, suggesting Escort, but plated bumpers as per the post 1957 Squire. Perversely it has the pre 1957 small rear lamps.

Shame we cannot see the front.

http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photos-kelsall/ford_100e_squire_67.htm

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johnfromstaffs EN

2018-08-31 23:16

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It seems to have been decided that it is a van, upon what evidence has this decision been made? Are there other views of it? Model origin USA? Why?

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dsl SX

2018-08-31 23:49

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We had similar head-scratching about an (Escort) estate with van rear doors here. Based on what I understand, these side windows are Escort (not Squire sliders), but I'm not sure about the idea that later ones had bigger lamps - compare this 1960 by plate date Escort. Leaving aside the fact that I don't understand why the filler positions on vans was different from estates (unnecessarily complicated??) I'd guess the filler can't shift. But changing the doors (new hinges to be welded in and appropriate strengthening behind) also seems too difficult for non-factory conversion. So maybe Ford offered van doors as an option on Escorts/Squires??

As in Sept 59 the Squire stopped completely and the Escort was upgraded with chrome side strip and sliding windows (in effect it became the Squire), I'd put this as earlier Escort. If other details work for post-57 plated bumpers, I'd go for 58 Escort unless anyone has better info or can read the plate.

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-09-01 09:09

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The petrol tank was relocated to the rear on the estates to permit the alteration necessary for the folding rear seat. The vans had a level flat floor running from the base of the back doors forward to behind the front seats and, IIRC, the tank was located immediately inboard of its filler behind the driver’s seat and below the floor. My brother and I have memories of acute discomfort riding in the back of REA 935, a 7cwt DeLuxe van owned by the family for a mercifully short period. The complexity of relocating the tank is why I believe this vehicle is not a van. The rear doors cause some confusion, the modification required to change the hinge arrangement is not inconsiderable. No doubt the vertically split doors were more convenient if the vehicle was used as a van.

Page 123 of “Ford Popular and the small sidevalves” by Dave Turner has a picture of the larger rear lamp captioned “October 1957 restyle rear lamp cluster for vans and estates. This is a Squire. Note the rubber buffer to support lower tail gate when open.” The larger lamp extends quite noticeably below the swage line, the earlier ones do not.

He then contradicts himself by showing pictures of the estate cars labelled as October 1957, with the minor facelift, but small rear lamps. Incidentally, the Escort shown, sporting the chequered grill à la Popular, still has fixed middle windows. The date of the Escort upgrade to Squire standards is given as September 1959 at car no. 783941.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2018-09-01 11:27

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Van fuel filler.

/vehicle_428053-Thames-5cwt-Van-300E-1956.html

Larger rear lights

/vehicle_715799-Thames-5cwt-Van-300E-1958.html
http://www.simoncars.co.uk/fordcv/thames300e.html
http://www.simoncars.co.uk/ford/squire100e.html

Smaller rear lights

http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=102782&country=uk


-- Last edit: 2018-09-01 11:43:00

dsl SX

2018-09-01 13:31

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Useful stuff - I've now learned something about rear lights (and altered that "1960 by plate date Escort" in my comment above to a 1957 Squire as a result).

So for this one, is there anything more we can do than agree Escort likely and assume 1957 for the chrome bits??

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-09-01 13:54

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The thing appears to be such a mongrel that your suggestion seems okay.

tore-40 NO

2018-09-01 16:51

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@dsl: Does your Glass' mention the date when Squires lost their side trim? (Side window looks like a split version)

dsl SX

2018-09-01 17:21

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^ Yes - says Squire wood moulding was replaced in Aug 56 by chrome strips. [EDIT - but see comments below that this is probably incorrect].

But if your question is made to raise the possibility that this is a Squire, check this May-June 1956 from plate date woodie with chrome trim on sliding windows. So I don't think this can be a Squire.

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tore-40 NO

2018-09-01 17:38

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You're right. Thanks.

dsl SX

2018-09-01 18:06

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Assuming these assorted online schematics are pinpoint accurate, for comparison:

1] 1958 Escort (due to Oct 57 grille)
[Image: 1957escort.jpg]

2] 1956 Squire with wood strips
[Image: 1956squirewoodie.jpg]

3] another 1956 Squire with wood strips
[Image: 1956squirewoodieb.jpg]

4] 1957 Squire without wood strips
[Image: 1958squire-woodless.1.jpg]

-- Last edit: 2018-09-01 19:31:01

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-09-01 18:07

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Turner does not agree: -

Sept 1955 First Escort Car #157603 First Squire Car #155392

Oct 1957 Escort changes as 100E Anglia - mesh pattern grille, plated on deluxe (not certain if there was a DeLuxe Escort). Car #447303

Oct 1957 Squire changes as 100E Anglia and Escort (interior and stuff we can’t see) plus Prefect plated grille, wooden exterior decoration deleted, replaced by waistline plated strips plated bumpers, plated embellishments to headlamps/sidelamps panel. Car #448099

Sept 1959 Escort upgraded to include many features of discontinued Squire, Car #783491
Squire deleted Car #788927

April 1961 Escort deleted Car #937603

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dsl SX

2018-09-01 19:43

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For Escort grille change, agree Turner's date of Oct 57 is probably solid, as it would have been the same makeover as happened to the Anglia, which Glass's gives as Oct 57. I guess Glass's just missed out a line in their table, although there is a comment for Aug 56 that the Escort got an instrument cluster to replace facia panel at 295506. They quote the same numbers as Turner including new grille at 447303, so a text glitch seems to explain it.

No mention of any additional versions (Deluxe or anything else) for Escort or Squire.

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-09-01 21:21

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Turner also gives a list of prices by year, and while there are prices for Anglia/Prefect/Popular and deluxe variants, there are no deluxe prices mentioned for the estate cars, so the inference can be drawn that there were no deluxe options.

Cheapest: 1960 5cwt van £338; dearest: 1958 Squire £696. No Purchase tax on the vans.

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