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1953 Bedford S-Type with later grille from 1957 
Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: 
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◊ 2018-01-01 20:48 |
LWJ 830 = Sheffield, June-Sept 1949, but several years too early if a normal issue. LMJ = Bedfordshire, May-July 1953; LNJ = East Sussex May-July 1956, LHJ = Southend, August-Oct 1955. |
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◊ 2018-01-02 11:06 |
1957-60 Bedford C-Type - edit except it is likely to be an S-type with the grille replaced by a C-type grille. Other than the registration, the only clue is the step ring on the front wheel is missing. -- Last edit: 2018-01-02 11:56:27 |
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◊ 2018-01-02 12:45 |
I assume the S type grilles also changed to this design in 57 ? -- Last edit: 2018-01-02 12:45:22 |
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◊ 2018-01-02 13:35 |
![[Image: 04-34bedfordlmj830a.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/04-34bedfordlmj830a.jpg) ![[Image: 04-34bedfordlmj830b.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/04-34bedfordlmj830b.jpg) |
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◊ 2018-01-02 13:52 |
I've read on some websites that the S-type continued alongside the C type but that is not my experience. edit: When I started working for GM in the 1960s the only Bedfords replaced by the TK and TJ were the TC and TD (C types and D types). S-types all were replaced by C types all with the new grilles and A types by D types, the grilles only changing on the 4 5 and 6 tonners "A redesigned radiator grille has been introduced on all the forward-control models, whilst the 4-, 5- and 6-ton normal-control vehicles also have a new radiator grille to give a greater air flow to the larger radiators used." Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com" -- Last edit: 2018-01-02 14:01:52 |
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◊ 2018-01-02 16:30 |
So to sum up the C-Type usurped the S-type in 57. -- Last edit: 2018-01-02 16:31:58 |
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◊ 2018-01-03 11:18 |
Just being reading my Bedford 1950-1996 book by Alan Townsin and it is quite categoric that the C AND S type ranges stayed in production until Autumn 1960 . Also states that the millionth Bedford truck made in 1958 was an S Type. -- Last edit: 2018-01-03 13:40:37 |
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◊ 2018-01-03 14:55 |
Thank you JCB. If that is the case then it again raises the question, what determines the post-1957 S-type design (chassis/engine range/grille design) versus the C-types? One to put on the list to see if there is more information or manufacturing data to be found. Other than that are there any trucks registered after 1957 with the old S-type grille? There should also be a publicity photo of the 1,000,000th Bedford somewhere to confirm the appearance. |
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◊ 2018-01-03 16:44 |
Just to confirm from the known designations of the C-type there appears to be some duplication with the 7-ton range of the original S-type. C-Type (TC) C4 4 ton Truck 132" wheelbase (Bedford petrol & diesel engines) C5 5 ton Truck 132" wheelbase (Bedford petrol & diesel engines) C6 6 ton Truck 132" wheelbase (Bedford petrol & diesel engines) C6L 6 ton Truck 156" wheelbase (Bedford petrol & diesel engines) C7L 7 ton Truck 156" wheelbase (Bedford petrol/Perkins diesel/Leyland export only engines) C7ST 7 ton 116" wheelbase Tipper Truck (Bedford petrol/Perkins diesel/Leyland export only engines) C7SS 10 ton 86" Articulated Tractor Scammell coupling (Bedford petrol/Perkins diesel/Leyland export only engines) CH Special Fire appliance chassis S-type SL 7-ton 156" wheelbase truck (as C7L) SST 7-Ton 116" wheelbase tipper Truck (as C7ST) SA 10-Ton Bedford-Scammell Artic tractor (as C7SS) SH Special Fire appliance chassis (as CH) Unless there is some visual difference I'm just considering the 7-ton S-type in effect did continue but was re-classified as C7? |
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◊ 2018-01-03 16:55 |
Quote from the book 'at the top end of the C range the differences from the S became slight ' .gif ":)") The S-Type continued and also received the new grille in 1957. The millionth Bedford was an S-Type diesel 7 tonner produced 28th May 1958- but nowt much on web ! -- Last edit: 2018-01-03 22:24:57 |
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◊ 2018-01-04 21:12 |
After trawling the internet for any Vauxhall-Bedford publications there are some findings to confirm the S-type (7-ton) continued after 1957 and TC models stopped at 6-tons. Service training manuals dated after 1957 are not useful since they could also include past (obsolete) models but instruction handbooks, supplied with new vehicles, do tell a story. It appears Bedford probably wanted to maintain the 'Big Bedford' distinction? Looking at instruction handbooks, C-types (TC) stopped at 6-tons in 1957 (January) C4, C5 and C6 and mirrored the D-types (TD) D4, D5 and D6 leaving the Big-Bedford S-type as a 7-tonner. The S-type chassis remained substantially unchanged but engines and the cab were revised. Later in 1959, a 12 ton articulated tractor was added to the S-type range's 10 ton articulated tractor and all tipper's were (probably) 7-tonners. ![[Image: bedfordd1.1.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/bedfordd1.1.jpg) ![[Image: bedfordd4tod5.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/bedfordd4tod5.jpg) ![[Image: bedfordd6.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/bedfordd6.jpg) ![[Image: bedfordc456.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/bedfordc456.jpg) TD and TC ranges. New vehicle Instruction handbooks for the S-type continued after 1957. Which leaves the problem how we identify the S-type versus some of the C-types after 1957. Only the tractors and (tippers?) are clearly S-types. Also any medium wheelbase trucks are C-type. Long wheelbases could be S or C types. Shortest wheelbases are all S-types. -- Last edit: 2018-01-05 11:47:28 |
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◊ 2018-01-04 22:30 |
Sometimes it's the apparently innocuous ones which kick off all the fun..... I'll check if Glass's says anything useful when I get a chance next week. |
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◊ 2018-01-05 10:06 |
For anyone interested in Bedford can highly recommend book The Bedord Story Part 2 1950-1986 by Townsin/Broatch it was written with the help of former and current Vauxhall Motors staff and some of their ex chief engineers. And even they say it is very difficult to tell a 6 ton C from a S ! I am also puzzled the net isn't awash with photos of the millionth Bedford ( a S Type ) but it looks like it was kept low profile for some reason. -- Last edit: 2018-01-05 10:08:00 |
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◊ 2018-01-05 11:27 |
^ JCB this one came close, but for the extra '0'. .gif ";)") ![[Image: gmltd.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/gmltd.jpg) Also between 1957 and 1959 I guess most of the changes in the chassis were in preparation for the TK and TJ introductions. Find the problems on the 'interim' TC and TD models and spread the development by twp years. As would be expected, Vauxhall's Engineering resources for Bedford trucks was far less (even minimal?) compared to the passenger side |
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◊ 2018-01-09 20:40 |
No - it doesn't, or at least nothing intelligible because it doesn't use recognisable names like S-Series or C-Series, just lots of tables with indecipherable codings. |
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