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1941 Fiat 2800

1941 Fiat 2800 in Sorelle Materassi, Movie, 1944 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: IT

1941 Fiat 2800

[*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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Alessandro58 CH

2017-10-05 10:10

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1944 last year of production.

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electra225 IT

2017-10-05 12:18

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I am not convinced that the last thumb shows the Fiat 2800. At the time it was awful (and inside Italy forbidden by fascist laws) to use foreign words even in dashboards.

Gamer DE

2017-10-05 12:26

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Wasn't Mussolini arrested in 1943 and succeeded by a king? Surely he would have passed a law by 1944 that made foreign words legal again.

ElSaxo IT

2017-10-05 12:29

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Gamer wrote Wasn't Mussolini arrested in 1943 and succeeded by a king? Surely he would have passed a law by 1944 that made foreign words legal again.

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Gamer DE

2017-10-05 12:31

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Well, at least that's how I read it on Wikipedia.

You can't blame me for not knowing it with 100% accuracy, I'm not Italian. :p

Nightrider RU

2017-10-05 13:37

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Gamer wrote Wasn't Mussolini arrested in 1943 and succeeded by a king? Surely he would have passed a law by 1944 that made foreign words legal again.


Er, how to say... there was some kind of war going on, and no one was giving a shit about foreign words on gauges)

Lateef NO

2017-10-05 15:49

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Gamer wrote Wasn't Mussolini arrested in 1943 and succeeded by a king? Surely he would have passed a law by 1944 that made foreign words legal again.

You do know that Mussolini was bailed out of captivity by German paratroopers? And that in 1944 the north of Italy was very much under axis control? And that Fiat is located in Torino, which is in the north of Italy?

I do, however, doubt that this car is from 1944 as civilian car production had been halted with the outbreak of the war. Wikipedia states that the 2800 "Limousine" (Berlina) was made until 1941, however the 2800 CMC (military spec. Torpedo) was kept in production until 1944.

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electra225 IT

2017-10-05 17:34

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The story is a bit more complicated. As the war faith was clear in the Summer of 1943, The King rejected Mussolini as cheaf of the Government. General Badolgio was the new premier and Mussolini was for a while jailed untill the famous German paratroopers raid bailed him out of captivity.
In the Summer the King made a secret peace treatment with the allied in order to be able to escape safely from Rome and reach the South of Italy already under US and British occupation.
After the German taking of Mussini they created an alternative state in Northern Italy no more under the King control but against him >(The Republic of Salò). Obviously this meant a sort of civil war inside WW2. The latter State, allied with the Nazi Germany faced partisans organization as well the unfortunately slow US penetration to North. Germana actually left Italy about a year and half later when they were forced to reach Germany which was collapsing both to Russians penetrating from East and to the British and Americans (as well other allied forces) coming from France.

ABOUT THE USE OF FOREIGH WORDS IN FASCIST ITALY, THEY WERE BANNED IN A NATIONALIST INTENT. FOR INSTANCE WE ITALIANS DIDN'T HAVE AN ITALIAN WORD FOR "DRIVER" AS WE HAD USED THE FRENCH WORD "CHAFFEUR" INSTEAD. AT THE TIME THERE WAS NOT YET A MARKETING INTENDED FOR EXPORT AND DOMESTIC LANGUAGES WERE USED IN THE INSTRUMENTS.

I hope I was understood even though I didn't want to be too long for explaining such a lond topic.

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Alessandro58 CH

2017-10-06 15:04

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On http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de I found a picture of the dashboard of a 2800 limousine: [Image: 2800p18.jpg]

It differs from the thumb above. Therefore it is probably a goof...

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Alessandro58 CH

2017-10-06 15:20

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[Image: _00_52_55-6045-03-31-17h51m25s235.jpg]

Clocks are made by O.S. Ateliers Seignol, Paris (Not O.S. Speedometer Co., Ltd, London). So the thumb could show a dashboard of a French car?

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Alessandro58 CH

2017-10-06 15:22

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Lateef wrote
[...] Wikipedia states that the 2800 "Limousine" (Berlina) was made until 1941, however the 2800 CMC (military spec. Torpedo) was kept in production until 1944.


Agree

Gamer DE

2017-12-25 00:42

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Lateef wrote
You do know that Mussolini was bailed out of captivity by German paratroopers? And that in 1944 the north of Italy was very much under axis control? And that Fiat is located in Torino, which is in the north of Italy?

1. No.
2. I think I heard that before.
3. Yes.

My basic knowledge of WWII:
1st September 1939: Invasion of Poland
September 1939: Molotov feigns a peace treaty between the USSR and the Baltic states, allegedly to secure their independence for the next twenty years or so, but in reality, he's bent on getting them back in the USSR, breaching the Treaty of Tartu. They are quietly occupied by the fourth quarter of 1939 and annexed in the summer of 1940.
June 22, 1941: Operation Barbarossa. Germany attacks the USSR, breaching the German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact. Germany occupies the Baltic States.
December 7, 1941: The Japanese attack Pearl Harbor. US declares war on Japan the next day.
1943: The Moscow Conference takes place.
Summer-fall 1944: Soviet troops arrive in the Baltics and reoccupy them.
January-May 1945: Liberation of the concentration camps.
May 8, 1945: End of WWII.

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chicomarx BE

2017-12-25 03:16

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The point of no return was the occupation of entire Czechoslovakia beyond the Sudetenland, that was imperialism. There were no ethnic German peoples there. Hitler was spoiled by the easy annexation of Austria and the warm welcome he received. And of course driven to repair the loss of WW-I and build an empire against Stalin's Soviet Union.

Lateef has taken some time off btw.

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