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1971 Vauxhall Viva Deluxe [HC]

1971 Vauxhall Viva [HC] in Billa, Movie, 1980

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: — Made for: IND

1971 Vauxhall Viva Deluxe [HC]

Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

Comments about this vehicle

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Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2014-11-22 21:09	What is the basis for tagging it as "made for India"? From what I've read, it seems that commercial importing of completely built-up cars had stopped by the 1970s, so the car was probably imported privately by an Indian who had been living abroad. Quote An embryonic automotive industry emerged in India in the 1940s. Hindustan was launched in 1942, long time competitor Premier in 1944. They built GM and Fiat products respectively.[18] Mahindra & Mahindra was established by two brothers in 1945, and began assembly of Jeep CJ-3A utility vehicles. Following the independence, in 1947, the Government of India and the private sector launched efforts to create an automotive component manufacturing industry to supply to the automobile industry. In 1953 an import substitution programme was launched, and the import of fully built-up cars began to be impeded.[18] However, the growth was relatively slow in the 1950s and 1960s due to nationalisation and the license raj which hampered the Indian private sector. Total restrictions for import of vehicles were set and after 1970 the automotive industry started to grow, but the growth was mainly driven by tractors, commercial vehicles and scooters. Cars were still a major luxury item. In the 1970s price controls were finally lifted, inserting a competitive element into the automobile market.[19] By the 1980s, the automobile market was still dominated by Hindustan and Premier, who sold superannuated products in fairly limited numbers.[20] During the eighties, a few competitors began to arrive on the scene. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_India#History -- Last edit: 2014-11-22 21:11:17
venkatesh ◊ 2014-11-22 21:32	It was not "made for India". Most possibly an import from Singapore/Malaysia to Madras (now Chennai) or STC auctioned vehicle from British High Commission or any other embassy offices in India. That was the only was anyone could own an import between 1960's till 1985, otherwise it was only PAL Fiat 1100D, HM Ambassador or Standard 10's from SMPIL.
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2019-02-17 15:34	cough Not made for India.
dsl ◊ 2019-02-17 16:08	We have too many examples of stuff-that-shouldn't-be-in-India actually in India to keep ignoring the location. How/why they got there is another story, and a mystery which awaits explanation but there were clearly systems available below the radar (diplomatic/officials/ex-pat import schemes/rich folk or whatever,) which were used so things trickled in at more than a Joe-Bloggs-private-import level. But if we keep removing the tags, each one becomes anonymous and sinks back into the general selection. So we'll never know what we've got or stand any chance of understanding what was actually going on in this tightly regulated market compared to the rhetoric.
-- ◊ 2019-02-17 18:29	Um, dsl, you're just basing these tags on your own assumptions as to what the car might be without basing it on visual differences as mentioned in the site rules when adding vehicles: You have been asked countless times not to add these unnecessary 'made for' tags anymore but you still do it so please do follow the rules especially if you're an admin or please comment with a valid reason when adding them on each vehicle anonymously before people start complaining in comments as to who added them in the first place. Thank you. -- Last edit: 2019-02-17 18:34:39
dsl ◊ 2019-02-17 19:35
chicomarx ◊ 2019-02-18 02:06	@dsl You're using it as a location tag to track them in the database but grey import isn't enough, "made for" would by definition be an official import. That's my understanding anyway.
dsl ◊ 2019-02-18 16:37	I've argued the idea of greater liberalism on the usage of made-for tags when strange things occur in unexpected places without really getting an answer on why we can't release the brakes a bit. Our collection has a huge reference/research capability which we constrict if we're too antiseptic. If we leave oddities like this untagged, we're unable to fully answer questions such as how diverse was the actual car population of India?? Was India a below-the-radar destination for Vauxhalls (alongside in this case local Bedford assembly as an available backdoor route)?? What countries around the world did Vivas get to?? and so on. Plus if new info emerges - eg Luton sent a batch of 1970-ish Vauxhalls (see the similar period Victor FD estate elsewhere) as a market test/trade deal (like the celebrated North Korean Volvos) we can't respond if we don't tag. Different scenario, but I recently picked up a book on Irish car assembly - huge selection of makes from UK, Europe and US from the obvious to the unexpected. If we'd tagged as made-for-Irl, lots of stuff could be retrieved and their IDs improved. Our various Merc and VW fans, for instance, could have a right royal picnic digesting all the possibilities. So let's encourage diversity and open up possibilities with a more enlightened approach. Grey imports are often anomalies, so lets expose those anomalies for better effect when they could illustrate something useful. And if not, why not - what do we gain by closing down possibilities??

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