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Vickers-Armstrong FV 4201 Chieftain as M1A1 'Abrams' by Armytrucks Inc.

Vickers-Armstrong FV 4201 Chieftain in Sgt. Bilko, Movie, 1996 IMDB

Class: Others, Military armored vehicle — Model origin: UK

Vickers-Armstrong FV 4201 Chieftain as M1A1 'Abrams' by Armytrucks Inc.

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G-MANN UK

2009-11-10 20:41

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[Image: 202706-vlcsnap-00011.jpg] [Image: sgtbilko1.jpg]

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ford_guy US

2009-11-10 21:17

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As I said on the main page, how do we even know this is a genuine Abrams?

G-MANN UK

2009-11-10 21:36

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Well, I don't know, what makes you think it's not?

ford_guy US

2009-11-10 21:46

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It basically depends on whether it was supported by the Department of Defense or not. And somehow I doubt that was the case for this movie as all of the other military vehicles listed are old or easily available from movie rental companies.

G-MANN UK

2009-11-10 21:50

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Wouldn't there have been any privately-owned decommissioned Abrams tanks?

ford_guy US

2009-11-10 22:00

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I don't think there are any actual privately-owned Abrams tanks. The US Army recently upgraded or is in the process of upgrading the original M1 Abrams tanks still in service to the M1A2 configuration, so we certainly haven't done away with them.

G-MANN UK

2009-11-11 00:13

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Unless you know what to look for, I don't know if it can be proved one way or another if this is a replica or the real thing. It looks pretty realistic (to me anyway). This may have been filmed at an abandoned base and doesn't the US military have a habit of leaving its hardware lying around (like they said in Lord of War)?

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ford_guy US

2009-11-11 01:03

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The US military wouldn't leave such equipment at an abandoned military base, especially not a main battle tank such as the Abrams. Also, that paint scheme is not used on any Abrams tanks. But you're right, I have no way of telling for sure what it is. Maybe it's one of those Centurion tanks modified to look like an Abrams.

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G-MANN UK

2009-11-12 22:16

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While this is up here, if you've still got this film on your computer Gliffhanger, there's a good view of this tank in this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_CK4Gakqfc (at 2:32, when Bilko says "Fender!") which I think would be a better main image ;)

G-MANN UK

2010-03-14 23:28

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I posted a query about this in a military hardware forum, only one person has replied so far but they reckoned this was fake based on a Centurion tank, like some of the other Abrams tanks used in movies. http://forum.globalsecurity.org/showthread.php?t=33812

maxman CA

2012-03-16 21:58

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G-MANN wrote Wouldn't there have been any privately-owned decommissioned Abrams tanks?


Not a chance.

The Abrams is still the current-issue US main battle tank, with multiple upgrades on older models to increase their lifespan, so there are virtually no decommissioned Abrams, and none are sold to private individuals.

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Evil Tim EN

2012-05-28 07:45

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It's definately a fake, the hullform is totally wrong for an Abrams and looks more like a Centurion. Can't see a driver's periscope, so it's not a Chieftain like most are.

As far as I'm aware there's one civilian owned Abrams, and it's not a real Abrams; it's the rejected prototype XM1 made by General Motors, which has a hull made from mild steel. It's a wreck owned by a California collector.

G-MANN UK

2013-01-13 19:28

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After looking after picture of each, I think this has to be a Chieftan rather than a Centurion.

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