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Help Yourself, Short Movie, 1950 IMDB

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dsl SX

2015-04-26 23:56

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A pretend houseburglar tells about his escapades for a public service film about keeping your house secure. Filmed in Brixton, south London.

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- something white at 09-28
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.... very unusual to see something bright white in a film of this period

- (postwar?) sporty saloon at 09-38
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.... a Jag?? Can't get a better view because unco-operative Brixtonites keep getting in the way

- Lyons van at 09-41
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.... possible candidate for a page if identifiable and enough Lyons interest??

- BP tanker at 09-57
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..... any chance it's a Dennis Centaur as discussed here(although an earlier year)?? If so, I'll promote it for rarity.

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-04-27 09:09

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1. The white car is a Ford Eight Model Y Four Door saloon, and is what we used to call a "Valspar Special".
2. Jag Mk V, just the back is all you need.
3. Did Lyons have Morris-Commercial LC type vans, because it look like that model, but not certain.
4. BP definitely had Centaur tractors, but this may be the earlier Horla. Brilliant name for a tractor unit.

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Sunbar UK

2015-04-27 11:50

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johnfromstaffs wrote ...
3. Did Lyons have Morris-Commercial LC type vans, because it look like that model, but not certain.
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Yes, almost certain even by these limited views and confirmed by CM Magazine Archive, well worth a listing as an interesting Joe Lyons van!

Apr 1948 Morris-Commercial LC3 25-30cwt Van

Earls Court Show 1948
"The 25-30-cwt. van built for J. Lyons and Co., Ltd., with Normand bodywork and shown by Morris-Commercial Cars. Ltd., Adderley Park, Birmingham, had canted and well-guarded side and front shelves of metal, a corrugated metal floor, an inside rear step-well and a Perspex roof light."

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

dsl SX

2015-04-27 14:22

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johnfromstaffs wrote BP definitely had Centaur tractors, but this may be the earlier Horla. Brilliant name for a tractor unit.

"'Horla' was the model name given by Dennis Lorries to the post-war PAX model when supplied in normal form as an articulated tractor." from http://www.mechanical-horse-club.co.uk/Other%20mechanical%20horse.htm . Also all the Horlas I can find online seem bonneted. But found a preserved non-artic Pax tanker UVD 13 (=1959 plate) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/41056391@N05/15318182638/ - so maybe this is just a Pax as well.

johnfromStaffs EN

2015-04-27 15:35

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According to S W Stevens-Stratton, "British Lorries 1900 - 1992" there was a 12-ton version of the Horla, fitted with the 8-litre engine used in the Centaur and the Jubilant. The Centaur started in 1948, but must have had an earlier version than the one using the Willenhall cab.

Sunbar UK

2015-04-27 16:23

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The proportions, wheelbase and fuel tank in the second 'BP' Dennis tanker suggest to me its more likely to be a Dennis rigid (not artic).

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-04-27 19:07

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If so, then the earlier cab used on the Centaur rigid could be this one.

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