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Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter, Mini-Series, 2013 IMDB

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andrepa DE

2013-03-19 23:42

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Made for Movie Tiger most probably CGI on base of photos of the real thing TMO
depicting tank battle of Kursk, July 1943, german initiative to be ill-fated, crossroad of warfare 1/2 year after Stalingrad
3000 german and up to 9000 russian tanks involved,
It was both the largest series of armored clashes, and the costliest single day of aerial warfare in history
although undecided in one way, Germany lost its capability to attack on eastern front.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk

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andrepa DE

2013-03-21 00:09

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BR 64 491 "Bubikopf"_____________________Leica III

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andrepa DE

2013-03-21 00:21

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Wintergarten Berlin WWII before darkening destroyed 1944 / first projections of film in Europe to a paying audience on November 1st 1895
http://www.precinemahistory.net/1895.htm

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andrepa DE

2013-03-21 00:42

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Berlin 1940/41 stock footage on AGFA Color

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rjluna2 US

2013-03-21 01:42

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andrepa wrote Wintergarten Berlin WWII before darkening destroyed 1944 / first projections of film in Europe to a paying audience on November 1st 1895
http://www.precinemahistory.net/1895.htm

Beautiful, andrepa :beer:

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andrepa DE

2013-03-21 02:27

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thank you, rjluna2 for mentioning better information on german wiki :)
first thumb ad for PERTRIX LICHT + BATTERIE same product range as DAIMON, ingo surely knows all about!
while Etam is label of french lingerie 1916 until now!

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walter IT

2013-03-21 11:33

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@ andrepa: the new pics are from episode 3 I suppose...

andrepa DE

2013-03-21 13:26

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walter wrote @ andrepa: the new pics are from episode 3 I suppose...

Hi walther, yes, Ep. 3 some cars have apeared before, like second Kübelwagen, but has more important role this time.
have dismissed some minor vehicles , espec. lots of tanks of stock footage, anyway
who wants to see them all, can purchase the DVD set :)

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ingo DE

2013-03-21 22:07

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andrepa wrote first thumb ad for PERTRIX LICHT + BATTERIE same product range as DAIMON, ingo surely knows all about!

Sorry for the disappointment, but not. You may forgot, that I'm younger than you and this stuff was far before my time ;)

andrepa DE

2013-03-22 00:28

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just thought because you indicated Osram and Daimon last time, and your knowledge in general is quite profound, beeing that young!
OK will go ahead myself although 1940 i was - 25 years ahead these are the colors of Pertrix, [Image: varta.1.jpg] we all know, for sure :p

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HmmmYeah BA

2013-03-23 00:15

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Some sort of armored fighting vehicle appearing behind Friedhelm in a scene showing him rejecting to memorize new recruit's name.And yes,I'm new 'round these parts,and this is my first post. :hello:

[Image: vlcsnap-2013-03-23-00h07m11s154.jpg]

andrepa DE

2013-03-23 01:18

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Hi HmmmYeah, and a warm welcome! :king:
1. have overseen this interesting armored vehicle i don´t know yet.
2. brilliant quality of your pic!
3. it seems to be armored car is to new?!
4. posting VARTA emblem, now can be seen as waving your flag :)


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ingo DE

2013-03-23 12:05

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andrepa wrote and your knowledge in general is quite profound, beeing that young!

Thanks again :) Well, this is caused by IMCDb, especially due rjluna2. Since being at IMCDb, I've looked for and read about many other and new things than before.
The IMCDb-education-effect is often underrated!

rjluna2 US

2013-03-23 23:28

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You are very much welcome, ingo ;)

HmmmYeah BA

2013-03-24 21:45

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andrepa wrote Hi HmmmYeah, and a warm welcome! :king:
1. have overseen this interesting armored vehicle i don´t know yet.
2. brilliant quality of your pic!
3. it seems to be armored car is to new?!
4. posting VARTA emblem, now can be seen as waving your flag :)


Thank you very much for your welcome,andrepa.Yes,the vehicle seems to be either post-WW2 or a hastily/clumsily built replica.It's perhaps intended to represent Sd.Kfz. 247(my closest approximation),but the builder lacked expertise or resources(I don't think hey lacked finances though,this show had a hefty budget).About the Varga emblem,I can not but agree.Guess someone was not very original when designing my country's flag. :D

adrianblitz PL

2013-06-18 18:18

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"Unsere Mutter Unsere Vater" is a weak movie with plenty of substantive mistakes and setbacks of the production party. Errors can be seen at any time starting from scene when in the film (actor or narrator I do not remember )said about 3-meter snow - in the movie the ground is barely snowed. Another setback is pyrotechnics which were not responsive to the actual effects of the outbreak such as the scene with anti-personnel landmines. Mistakenly chosen many props (post-war barrels for fuel, bad painting of military equipment items, trying to play war Mercedes by Robur truck, and lots, lots details like those). A very serious mistake is showing Polish in a negative way, when it is they who in the course of the war probably saved the most Jews and they were very tolerant of Jewish, Gypsies and others nations persecuted by Germans. This situation is similar to blame the Poles for the German death camps that were only located in Poland. The Poles were not killing there! The Production to this day has not regulated charges for the rental of Polish heritage vehicles (not just from my collection), which is tantamount to an unlawful use of the image. Actually topic of the movie is good. We should have many such movies, but it should show the truth, not to falsify the history like it was for many years.


„Unsere Mutters Unsere Vatters” to słaby film z wieloma błędami merytorycznymi jak i z wpadkami ze strony produkcji. Błędy można zobaczyć w każdej chwili filmu poczynając od sytuacji gdy w filmie jest mowa o 3 metrowym śniegu, - ledwo jest przyprószona ziemia, kolejna wpadka to efekty pirotechniczne nieodpowiadające faktycznym efektom wybuchu przykład scena z minami przeciwpiechotnymi. Błędnie dobrano wiele rekwizytów (powojenne beczki, złe malowanie elementów wyposażenia wojskowego, próba odtworzenia wojennej ciężarówki Mercedes samochodem Robur i wiele, wiele tego typu niedociągnięć). Bardzo poważnym błędem jest stawianie w negatywnym świetle polaków, kiedy to właśnie oni w trakcie wojny uratowali prawdopodobnie najwięcej Żydów i byli bardzo tolerancyjni wobec narodowości żydowskiej, cygańskiej i innych ludzi prześladowanych przez Niemców. To sytuacja podobna do obwiniania polaków za niemieckie obozy śmierci które tylko zlokalizowane były w Polsce, a przecież to nie Polacy tam zabijali! Produkcja do dnia dzisiejszego nie uregulowała należności za wynajem pojazdów zabytkowych z Polski (nie tylko z mojej kolekcji), co jest jednoznaczne z bezprawnym użyciem wizerunku. Ogólna tematyka filmu bardzo dobra, oby jak najwięcej takich filmów, ale należy pokazywać prawdę, a nie fałszować historię jak robiło się to latami.

Weasel1984 PL

2013-06-18 20:29

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Good that you have mentioned this. I ignored this film yesterday. Unfortunately all people, who pay the TV licence fee (like me), donated the producers of this... mini-series, even if didn't want to. :/ But at least now production should have money to pay for the borrowed vehicles - finally. ;)

-- Last edit: 2013-06-19 14:15:39

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