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Köln im Dritten Reich, Documentary, 2013

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robi DE

2018-04-01 13:40

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This documentary is now completed. It contains mostly footage of Cologne, but also a few cars from Paris and Berlin.

They are talking a lot about the Ford factory here, as two of the contemporary witnesses worked there.

Exterior views of the Ford factory:
[Image: kidr_fabrik2.jpg] [Image: kidr_fabrik5.jpg]

Assembly line of Ford Model A:
[Image: kidr_fabrik3.jpg]

Assembly line of Ford Eifel models:
[Image: kidr_fabrik1.jpg] [Image: kidr_fabrik12.jpg]

New cars leaving the factory gate:
[Image: kidr_fabrik6.jpg]

New Ford trucks waiting for shipment:
[Image: kidr_fabrik9.jpg]

Ford trucks loaded onto ships:
[Image: kidr_fabrik8.jpg]

Ford trucks (without rear axles) loaded onto a ship:
[Image: kidr_fabrik11.jpg]

A harbor crane at the Ford factory:
[Image: kidr_fabrik10.jpg]
("Who thinks economically, choses Ford")

New Ford Eifels (and a truck) loaded onto trains:
[Image: kidr_fabrik13.jpg]

A Ford ad:
[Image: kidr_fabrik4.jpg]
"Judge by yourself if the FORD 4PS 1 Litre is a German car!"
"In all of these places, renowned companies of the German industry contribute to the production of the Fordcars."

Another Ford ad ("world proved"):
[Image: kidr_fabrik7.jpg]

A Savoia-Marchetti SM.73, operated by Belgian airline SABENA:
[Image: kidr_marchetti1.jpg] [Image: kidr_marchetti2.jpg]

A civilian Junkers Ju 52/3m:
[Image: kidr_junker2.jpg]

An unknown German military plane:
[Image: kidr_flugzeug1.jpg]

Another unknown German military plane in a repair workshop:
[Image: kidr_flugzeug2.jpg] [Image: kidr_flugzeug3.jpg]

A military Junkers Ju 52/3m:
[Image: kidr_junkers1.jpg]

Unknown Allied military planes being either repaired or dismantled:
[Image: kidr_flugzeug4.jpg]

sixcyl FR

2018-04-02 10:07

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Very interesting pictures :king:
And BTW reminds what eminent contribution gave US company FORD to the 3rd Reich !

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robi DE

2018-04-02 10:35

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sixcyl wrote Very interesting pictures :king:
And BTW reminds what eminent contribution gave US company FORD to the 3rd Reich !


Thank you! Yes, looking closer on the person of Henry Ford, some things are still unbelievable. Hitler even had a picture of him on the wall in his Munich office.

Nightrider RU

2018-04-02 10:35

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Still, main truck of the Wehrmacht was Opel Blitz, with Ford trucks on secondary roles.

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-04-02 13:30

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robi wrote

Thank you! Yes, looking closer on the person of Henry Ford, some things are still unbelievable. Hitler even had a picture of him on the wall in his Munich office.


They had similar views on the treatment of minorities and their methods of controlling their labour forces were quite alike. It is extremely difficult to become either a dictator or mega rich without trampling on the masses, or indulging in a certain measure of crookery.

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the sad biker UK

2018-04-02 13:49

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Rumour has it that Hitler thought some of Henry Ford's views were a bit extreme.....

ingo DE

2018-04-02 13:52

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robi wrote This documentary is now completed. It contains mostly footage of Cologne, but also a few cars from Paris and Berlin.
...
A Ford ad:
[Image: kidr_fabrik4.jpg]
"Judge by yourself if the FORD 4PS 1 Litre is a German car!"
"In all of these places, renowned companies of the German industry contribute to the production of the Fordcars."
...


:think: from which year is this photo? It's written
"Judge by yourself, if Ford is a German car"
The map doesn't show the Germany between 1918 and 1937, there are areas, which were lost after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-04-02 14:28

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The picture seems to show a Ford Model Y, known in Germany as the Köln for obvious reasons. It looks very similar to the British product, and is not the Cologne only Cabrio Limousine.

The cars were produced from August 1932 to November 1937 in UK, but the German product had started to move away from the Dearborn design by 1936. The car in the picture seems to have no valances on its wings, so suggesting that it is a 1933 model, but the picture is difficult to interpret. My feeling would be that the ad would show the latest variant, and possibly the most up market as well, to give the best impression, so let's say 1934. At most it can only be two years out, and if the car is a long radiator model as introduced in UK in the October 1933 facelift which I can't see from the picture, that would be 1935 or 1936 at latest.

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antp BE

2018-04-02 20:08

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@Robi > for things not listed on IMDb you are supposed to provide source(s) with same kind of information

robi DE

2018-04-02 20:37

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antp wrote @Robi > for things not listed on IMDb you are supposed to provide source(s) with same kind of information


Oh sorry, I totally forgot.
Here are some sources:
http://www.rheindvd.de/dvd/koeln-im-dritten-reich/
Link to "www.amazon.de"
Link to "www.koelnprogramm.de"

mike962 DE

2018-04-02 20:39

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haven't we enough nazi era bulshit already ????, it's done to death already on the site

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robi DE

2018-04-02 23:46

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I won't try to defend my "nazi era bul(l)shit" contribution here, because your ignorant opinion is obviously irrelevant here. Go on and identify forklifts, excavators and bulldozers, and leave the interesting pages alone.

Nightrider RU

2018-04-02 23:51

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Stop the unrespect, please!

chicomarx BE

2018-04-03 00:56

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johnfromstaffs wrote They had similar views on the treatment of minorities and their methods of controlling their labour forces were quite alike. It is extremely difficult to become either a dictator or mega rich without trampling on the masses, or indulging in a certain measure of crookery.

No Karl Marx, not quite true. Henry Ford (whose mother was Belgian) did employ many black workers and went out of his way to bring them to Detroit (which is why the city is mostly black now).

Nightrider RU

2018-04-03 10:45

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chicomarx wrote
Henry Ford (whose mother was Belgian) did employ many black workers


That depends on what you consider as minorities. After all, there was even cossack SS cavalry division.

rtsbusman1997 US

2018-04-03 11:42

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chicomarx wrote
No Karl Marx, not quite true. Henry Ford (whose mother was Belgian) did employ many black workers and went out of his way to bring them to Detroit (which is why the city is mostly black now).


racism and discrimination in general is a strange thing I barely understand no matter how hard I try to understand it (and i've experienced it myself, since I am a black guy who people feel acts too white for their taste)

"i will work with and hire people and generally act pleasant towards people I severely hate with a passion" is a real thing i've dealt with :lol:

-- Last edit: 2018-04-03 11:43:31

robi DE

2018-04-03 12:01

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I think Henry Ford's views were not against blacks, but against Jews, that's why he had a good relationship to Hitler. Ford also wrote a book "The International Jew", which was published in several languages. Prominent Nazis like Heinrich Himmler or Baldur von Schirach were influenced by that book. Later on, the Ford company made great efforts to destroy all unsold copies of the book.

Nightrider RU

2018-04-03 12:12

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[quote=rtsbusman1997]

( I am a black guy who people feel acts too white for their taste)

[quote]

That means that you are traitor of racial interets and simply a "coconut".

No offence, it's representation of black racist' perception)

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johnfromstaffs EN

2018-04-03 12:55

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chicomarx wrote
No Karl Marx, not quite true. Henry Ford (whose mother was Belgian) did employ many black workers and went out of his way to bring them to Detroit (which is why the city is mostly black now).


I said minorities, I did not comment upon any further definition of minority. It is also quite disappointing to find that my attempts to identify the year of the Ford ad as mentioned by Ingo have been ignored, while a general comment on attitudes prevalent amongst tycoons and dictators has been swooped upon.

BTW, Studebaker made the Dictator, Armstrong Siddeley made the Tycoon!

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Nightrider RU

2018-04-03 13:38

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johnfromstaffs wrote


BTW, Studebaker made the Dictator, Armstrong Siddeley made the Tycoon!


We have only Typhoon here.

Gamer DE

2018-04-03 15:22

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What's so bad about a tycoon?

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-04-03 15:39

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Nightrider wrote

We have only Typhoon here.



Exactly. It is an English pun.

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mike962 DE

2018-04-03 15:51

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robi wrote I won't try to defend my "nazi era bul(l)shit" contribution here, because your ignorant opinion is obviously irrelevant here. Go on and identify forklifts, excavators and bulldozers, and leave the interesting pages alone.

yeah like visitors come on and see Ford nazi era things instead the pages of blockbusters :o

average Joe is surely more interested in this than say Ready Player One this days

-- Last edit: 2018-04-03 15:53:50

Nightrider RU

2018-04-03 15:55

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mike962 wrote
instead the pages of blockbusters :o



Not to mention obscure Russian TV-series and old Hong Kong movies instead of blockbusters.

mike962 DE

2018-04-03 15:59

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Nightrider wrote

Not to mention obscure Russian TV-series and old Hong Kong movies instead of blockbusters.

at least they are fiction, not some random footage put together docs

Robi and Co should just do the IDCDB ,Internet documentary car data base and see how many visitors do they get

it's like freaking plague nazi era docus here

-- Last edit: 2018-04-03 16:02:34

Nightrider RU

2018-04-03 16:05

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mike962 wrote


it's like freaking plague nazi era docus here


Do you think that they secretly doing Nazi propaganda via posting such documentaries?

chicomarx BE

2018-04-03 17:46

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robi wrote I think Henry Ford's views were not against blacks, but against Jews, that's why he had a good relationship to Hitler. Ford also wrote a book "The International Jew", which was published in several languages. Prominent Nazis like Heinrich Himmler or Baldur von Schirach were influenced by that book. Later on, the Ford company made great efforts to destroy all unsold copies of the book.

That's not an issue of racism against minorities, that book deals with the influence of Jewish families on global finance, like the Rothschilds. Hitler similarly blamed Jewish bankers for withdrawing funds causing Germany to lose WW-I. (Hitler's view, not endorsing it.)

chicomarx BE

2018-04-03 17:52

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rtsbusman1997 wrote (and i've experienced it myself, since I am a black guy who people feel acts too white for their taste)

You should go all the way and buy a Volvo station wagon. :D

ingo DE

2018-04-04 23:16

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mike962 wrote
yeah like visitors come on and see Ford nazi era things instead the pages of blockbusters :o
average Joe is surely more interested in this than say Ready Player One this days

IMCDb isn't a playground of some autistic nerds, who list stupidly useless informations for other autistic nerds.

IMCDb is a database, which includes the international exchance of knowledge - and that is much more than a dumb listing of technical datas.
The knowledge of backgrounds, historical, technical, social, local, plus as premium point, personal experiences of members.

IMCDb is neither a playpen, nor a warm room for mental homeless nerds.
It's a living forum, made by and for widely sane people.

ingo DE

2018-04-04 23:22

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@johnfromstaffs: my comment about the ad indeed includes political thoughts.
I know, that this car is from the 30ies - which makes the map in this advertise very revealing, as it shows areas belonging to Germany, which were lost since Versailles.

And no, I don't feel ashamed, that it provoked a political discussion - because the knowledge about such topics is important for the whole context.

A propos Ford in Germany: in some book about WWII I read, that Ford USA delivered parts for Wehrmacht-trucks to Germany still in the first time of WWII - and for the same time parts for (military) truckd to the USSR, too.

-- Last edit: 2018-04-04 23:29:00

ingo DE

2018-04-04 23:39

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mike962 wrote
at least they are fiction, not some random footage put together docs
Robi and Co should just do the IDCDB ,Internet documentary car data base and see how many visitors do they get
it's like freaking plague nazi era docus here

Nothing at IMCDb is more boring than blockbusters.
The vehicles there are purposefully chosen, plus the whole product placement thing.
Boring, use- and pointless.

The real interesting things we dig out in these obscure Russian series, old Hongkong-trash, in the low-budget-junkyard-C-movies and yes, in documentations.

johnfromstaffs EN

2018-04-05 00:08

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I find myself feeling uneasy conversing about WW2 and the Nazis in this forum. This is not a complaint, more that I feel it inappropriate and also very difficult to anticipate the reaction of the others who might read what I say. I am who I am as a direct result of WW2, if my Dad had not been posted to the RAF camp in the town where he met my Mother I would not exist. Had Versailles not been so hard upon the German nation there might not have been a niche for Hitler to slip into and gain the power to wage a disastrous war. I never met close relatives who were lost in the second war, but also view it as a catalyst for a great improvement in the attitudes of British society. I could fill a page or two, but this forum is not the place.

chicomarx BE

2018-04-05 01:32

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robi wrote http://www.rheindvd.de/dvd/koeln-im-dritten-reich/
Link to "www.amazon.de"
Link to "www.koelnprogramm.de"

RheinDVD makes local documentaries about the city of Cologne... What's to prevent from adding...
Köln: Filmreise in die 70er Jahre
Köln: Filmreise in die 60er Jahre
etc... which is getting far from the purpose of the site.

rtsbusman1997 US

2018-04-05 04:25

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Nightrider wrote That means that you are traitor of racial interets and simply a "coconut".

No offence, it's representation of black racist' perception)


basically (a bit off topic: I can't eat coconut because it makes me puke up my guts and I can't even smell raw coconut without getting sick (my stomach hates me sometimes :mad: ))


chicomarx wrote
You should go all the way and buy a Volvo station wagon. :D


I do admit to having a affinity for Volvos (there's a lot in the NYC-NJ-CT area, especially a decent amount of older sedans and wagons)

johnfromstaffs wrote I find myself feeling uneasy conversing about WW2 and the Nazis in this forum. This is not a complaint, more that I feel it inappropriate and also very difficult to anticipate the reaction of the others who might read what I say. I am who I am as a direct result of WW2, if my Dad had not been posted to the RAF camp in the town where he met my Mother I would not exist. Had Versailles not been so hard upon the German nation there might not have been a niche for Hitler to slip into and gain the power to wage a disastrous war. I never met close relatives who were lost in the second war, but also view it as a catalyst for a great improvement in the attitudes of British society. I could fill a page or two, but this forum is not the place.


Fair complaint, but I guess in the time of "everything needs to be a forever-going parade of pain and conflict because I guess people can't resist being miserable dicks" you'd be fine as long as we keep the more unsavory parts of the internet at bay (trust me, you DO NOT want them here)

ingo DE

2018-04-05 11:22

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@mike962: if we would have our first MENGELE excavator here, would you also ignore the background?

@all: when you note the name "SCHINDLER" on an escalator or in a lift: yes, it's his family.

Gamer DE

2018-04-05 11:25

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[Image: schindlers-lift-a4aghu.jpg]

ingo DE

2018-04-05 11:34

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rtsbusman1997 wrote
basically (a bit off topic: I can't eat coconut because it makes me puke up my guts and I can't even smell raw coconut without getting sick (my stomach hates me sometimes :mad: ))
...

:think: never heard about the coconut therory.
An Austrian satirican once has compared his compatriots with
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punschkrapfen
"From the outside red, from the inside brown and always a bit drunk" :D

Nightrider RU

2018-04-05 11:38

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ingo wrote
:think: never heard about the coconut therory.
:D


Basically the same. Black on outside and white on inside. )

ingo DE

2018-04-05 11:43

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@johnfromstaffs: this is the difference between you and the most people from the continent: there, especially in Poland and Germany there is nearly no family, where the WWIai had not any influence, where family members were killed (or have killed...) or had to flee or were banished.

For a political interested person with a overproportional historic knowledge the daily life is not easy here in Middle Europe.

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LVCDC FR

2018-04-06 13:14

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Duration more of six hours and only eight aviation screenshots : thanks for the sort !

IMPDB is now online.

(And added here some comments about "unknown" French mud movers ...).

rtsbusman1997 US

2018-04-07 12:26

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ingo wrote @mike962: if we would have our first MENGELE excavator here, would you also ignore the background?


joke or are there really MENGELE excavators?

[quote=ingo@all: when you note the name "SCHINDLER" on an escalator or in a lift: yes, it's his family.[/quote]

they're a pretty big provider of escalators here in the states (or as a person in a video I saw on youtube said by mistake, the electric staircase)

Nightrider RU

2018-04-07 12:49

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No joke.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/62532775@N03/8573749068

ingo DE

2018-04-08 11:15

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rtsbusman1997 wrote ...joke or are there really MENGELE excavators?
...

No joke:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengele_Agrartechnik
The company was founded by the father and lead by the brother of the KZ-doctor.
No idea, why the Wiki-article refers only the agricultural machines and not the excavators.

https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/bagger-mengele/714770467-276-8465

Link to "www.bauforum24.biz"

P.S. the remains were taken over by this US-company:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGCO

-- Last edit: 2018-04-08 11:18:32

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